What TVs available now are considered flicker free? (Besides supposedly OLED as LG is completely out of the question for me). I suppose I should ask more specifically about LCD.
Samsung and Sony QD-OLED TV
Looks like I found my answer to why the oled screen on my dell laptop doesn't give me issues. As I stated earlier, I found on the google that the oled on my laptop is made by Samsung and I just found this article stating they they received certification from TUV for "flicker-free". I don't think any of the oled TV's have this certification yet to the best of my knowledge.
Clokwork Sony X80K(IPS) & Sony X85K(VA) are considered completely flickerfree, rtings tested them.
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hayder1983 I looked up their X80K review to find that, as usual, their claim is not true. You can see in their own test picture that there is obvious flicker on at least the lowest brightness levels. However, it is true that Sony in general has been known to care more than other TV manufacturers about at least trying to have a steady backlight.
It is much more complicated though. There are more situations where there could be introduced flicker, e.g. by simply switching channels or having a black picture in between loading screens or movie scenes, and rtings doesn't bother to test those.
Diamondintherough we have talked recently about how the TUV certificate is surprisingly worthless, as they certificate monitors that use PWM as "flicker-free".
KM oh, my bad. Well if my samsung screen on my laptop isn't easy on my eyes due to flicker then im not sure what it is. I'm hoping the discomfort from the LG C2 was due to the white leds as mentioned in the original post. I'm working out of town at the moment but this weekend I'm going to bring back the QN90B and get an S95B. I'll let you guys know my experience.
Diamondintherough can you comment your impressions regarding eye strain on the samsung qd oled? Thanks
raven83 Sorry for the late reply, I'm out of town again for a few days but I did use the S95B a lot over the weekend mostly playing the new call of duty on PS5 at 120fps. So far I'm happy to report that the eye strain that I was getting with the LG C2 doesn't seem to be an issue with the S95B. I was mostly using it in game mode but I was also watching some Netflix and Disney plus. The picture is crazy vibrant and damn this thing can get bright for an oled. I've been doing some research all week to try and find some good picture settings because at the moment if find it's crushing Black's pretty hard but I'm optimistic that I can't mitigate this to an extent with better picture settings. My main concern was the eye strain though and I didn't get that over the weekend. I'll be tweaking it some more this weekend so I'll let you know if anything comes up then. I cant say for certain but at this point I'm assuming the eye strain on the LG was due to the white pixels.
Diamondintherough thats great news! One of my theorys is the same….could be white pixel…and rtings says the tv is flicker free at a certain value of brightness. Keep us posted of your progress! Thank you!
Diamondintherough Hey any updates on your experience with this T.V.? Sounds very promising for those of us who had disappointing experiences with earlier OLED screens despite their promise of being "flicker free." Thanks in advance!
Sunspark That is really interesting and the guys at RTings noted several times about the "odd" pixel structure and the blue pixels as opposed to white which I think may be making the difference here. I remember almost squinting when I first turned on the LG G2 way back in 2019 due probably to the white pixels. Really hoping this new tech makes a difference for folks like us!
Sunspark i sacrified myself. The s95b will arrive in 7days. I will share after 7 days of testing.
And it seems the S95B flickers for some reason and they didnt solve the problem yet. It is a software problem. Even looking at the movie of the filmed TV is making my eyes cramp.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/uca1mk/samsung_s95b_flickering_can_anyone_confirm/
Therefore i have paddle back, i wont open the box and give it back as it is. I gladly will try a device that doesnt flicker or has a typical OLED flicker, but this is unacceptable. Already lost a lot of money on flickery Eizo monitors.
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hayder1983 That dynamic flickering seems to be the result of a setting and can apparently be turned off: https://reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/uca1mk/samsung_s95b_flickering_can_anyone_confirm/i7r9wl4?context=3
In general, a lot of patience is required when buying a new TV and trying to find the right settings.
Edit: another solution: https://reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/uca1mk/samsung_s95b_flickering_can_anyone_confirm/iwz0aqr?context=3
KM To turn off peak brightness reduction is a bit of a no go for my eyes. I need a working ABL without flashes/flicker. I think right now i will skip buying a new TV.
From rtings:
The Peak Brightness setting is unique to the Samsung S95B for Samsung TVs. It adjusts the Automatic Brightness Limiter, or ABL, which limits the brightness of the display depending on the content shown, which can be distracting at times. For our testing, we set it to 'High', as this setting delivers the highest peak brightness. This also results in the most aggressive ABL, though, so you should try different settings to find the one that looks best to you. The 'Off' setting effectively disables ABL entirely but results in a much lower peak brightness overall. There's almost no difference between the 'On' and the 'High' setting.
Looks like the perfect solution to me. Less brightness, and no flicker. Win-win for the eyes. But maybe you have requirements that go beyond eye strain, then just ignore my comments.
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KM Tvs now are much brighter than the tvs of previous years, 20 of brightness can be 110 from previous tvs, also it seems that the photodiode that rtings uses is not sensitive enough to detect some high speed pwm and even worse Samsung is the worst regarding eye comfort and care, almost all their display devices are eyes and brains destroyer.
Abeabe my current TV is capped at 400 nits. This is too bright for me. The Samsung goes up to 1400 nits. And they are trying to get even higher.