Update from Win11 21H2 to Win11 22H2 leads to eye strain
tfouto hard to say.
I haven't done a comparison between the two versions on the same pc, but I would tell you it's the same. The audit mode of W11 is different, it definitely looks better but I can't use it on my work notebook.
However, as you may have read, I had found the right setup and it was destroyed by the KB5020880 update.
For now I uninstall it every day, but I don't know how long I can keep it up....
This is impossible to answer without a proper controlled setting study but we spend so much time on here blaming Intel or Graphics settings or whatever and what if it's just the monitor itself? In other words, do people get the same strain when using a streaming stick or a console including an older one like a PS3 vs a newer one vs a Windows laptop etc.
For me I don't see a difference from laptop to laptop or from console to a device like a Fire Stick or to a laptop. I'm not saying Windows can't be at fault of course but I think the biggest problem are the monitors themselves.
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Elever This is impossible to answer without a proper controlled setting study but we spend so much time on here blaming Intel or Graphics settings or whatever and what if it's just the monitor itself?
I greatly appreciate empirical research from even a scientific perspective. I'm sure you can agree with me that the "shotgun" approach of trying various things in isolation with the hope that they work gives delayed progress in the best case with a lot of wasted time and money in the worst case when we're trying to live and work as normal people do. Even this is a nonstarter for trying to engage with companies, however as I've discussed on this forum the expense to undertake such empirical research and cover all potential bases (i.e blue light, PWM or other backlight oscillations, color spectrum, LCD inversion, temporal dithering) is a nontrivial sum and we can't exactly expect companies to undertake such research with a high priority.
To respond your second point
what if it's just the monitor itself? In other words, do people get the same strain when using a streaming stick or a console including an older one like a PS3 vs a newer one vs a Windows laptop
Can't comment on that exact scenario, but here's an example of a certain GPU having aggressive color dithering on a static image visualized by my software. So certainly the source the device can have an impact on the quality of the signal that's largely independent from the monitor.
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ryans If you have Windows 11 Pro, you can use Group Policy Editor to set target Feature release for Windows Update to 21H2.
Link: Specify Target Feature Update Version in Windows 11
This way you will continue to get updates for Windows 11 21H2 until its end of life, but it will not update to 22H2.
I also use this method on Windows 10 to prevent feature updates and update to Windows 11.
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@"ryans"#p26563 Pause feature+quality updates until 2050 (Drivers/MS Store/Defender Updates will work as normal):
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PendingRebootStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedQualityStatus"=dword:00000001
"PausedFeatureStatus"=dword:00000001Pause only feature updates(ex: 22H2) until 2050 (Drivers/MS Store/Defender/Quality Updates will work as normal):
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PendingRebootStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedFeatureStatus"=dword:00000001Resume updates again:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"=-
"PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"=-
"PendingRebootStartTime"=-
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"=-
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"=-
"PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"=-
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedQualityStatus"=-
"PausedFeatureStatus"=-Save text as .reg file and run it.
NOTE: On Windows 11 you first need to go to Windows Updates section, click Pause, and then apply the registry tweak.
For me the last Windows 10 update also introduced some changes for display. I was playing Desperados III without issues and after the Windows updated I can't watch at this game anymore. Same graphical settings etc. No idea what's happend.
CorvusCorax Is it Windows 22H2?
Staycalmsyndrome Where security/patches updates fall in?
Quality updates?
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I'm not a Win user, but in theory you can block updates by blocking the DNS name for the Win update url.
(Open wireshark, press check updates, then sniff for the URL. Blackhole it with 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts (this path is for linux tho))
I've been trying a few Windows laptops after failing miserably with Mac OS since 2018. Same issues most people describe, difficulty focussing on text, off-centre movement detected, dry eyes , strain and headaches.
I took delivery of a HP Spectre 14 last week running W11 21H2 and installed ditherig and all was good, even had banding on the default wallpaper which is nice to see ;-) . The Spectre also uses DC dimming and felt pretty good, way more tolerable than recent Macs. I then restarted and unwittingly picked up 22H2 and boom, eye strain within 10 minutes and the usual symptoms as above. First I down-revved the video driver from 30.1 to 27.x with no effect. Rolling back fixes this for now. Had similar things with the Mac. My trusty 2017 Kaby lake MacBook is nowhere near as pleasant to use on recent versions of the OS. Would love to know what's going on.
Also as a footnote. The spectre demonstrated pretty well to me that different browsers render differently with Edge being way nicer than Firefox (and slightly better than Chrome) when it came to reading the BBC news using all 3 for comparison.
And the struggle continues
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CRoebuck I then restarted and unwittingly picked up 22H2 and boom, eye strain within 10 minutes and the usual symptoms
Same thing here. Last Friday a reboot of my business laptop was forced for the recurring monthly installation of security patches. At restart I immediately developed eyestrain and neck pain. Today I checked and verified that, once again, an upgrade to Windows 22H2 passed through, most likely together with the security patches. The third attempt of Microsoft to sneakily upgrade my Windows after I have deactivated automatic upgrades.
I just reversed the install of the package but it will take a while before I can judge if my laptop is usable again. My eyes, neck and upper back are screwed and will be so for many hours, potentially a couple of days. I hope nothing else was upgraded (graphics drivers etc).