Eyestrain improved but still having migraines

ZenXLaika

so I've noticed a slight change in my eyestrain problem caused by the prolonged use of an Asus gaming laptop and insomnia, ever since I got new prescription glasses and took ateast a 4/6 week's break from my laptop/phone screens I've noticed a slight change, but when I started looking at certain screens again I noticed I'm still getting a slight migraine, it's not as bad as before, but it's still there, what I've noticed is that I still can't look at the Asus gaming laptop for more than 5 minutes without having a migraine and disorientation, slight dry eyes, I can look at my phone (dark mode and low brightness) for a little longer without any heavy symptoms, which is a xioami redmi note 8 2019, although I do end up with tightness on the right side of my head (migraine) this happens if stare at it for more than an hour, I tried this on my other phone, vivo y91c and discovered that it's still irritating my eyes and giving me dry eyes (maybe my new glasses aren't used to the screen?) although my symptoms fluctuate, I'm still getting dizziness and disorientation if I don't take breaks at all, also specifically laptop screens strain my eyes more, no matter what I do, change everything to dark mode, lower the brightness use f.flux etc, at this point I'm thinking of getting blue light glasses because this is obviously going to last longer…or not get cured at all since I got diagnosed with mild astgimatism.

Leachim38

ZenXLaika

I have also "a feeling" in the right upper side of nu head.

A few years ago i could nog usr phones due eye strain, now the eye strain is gone with new phones but it has become dizxiness+headache+lack of overall energy.

I was one of the few with eye strain, but this new "pain in the Brain" thing seems to affect a much broader public. Therefor I am sure the big phone producers Will not ignore the problem.

arturpanteleev

I want to say that my head is suffer more than eyes too. If we talk wbout eyes i just have feeling "sands in my eyes" and tension there. It is really hurt and unpleseant but this is nothing if we compare it wis head feelings. When i use "harmful" device more then a few days - i have a really strong hedache, Constant nausea, weakness in the body, increased blood pressure(record is 190/120 but i am under my 30) sometimes it nosebleeds happen.

We use to call our problems "eyesstrain" but i think the main problem is not in our eyes. Where is it? I do not know - maybe brain, maybe vascular system, maybe somewhere else. I won't be surprised anymore.

Sunspark

arturpanteleev My dude, if you're getting nosebleeds from blood pressure, your problem is not screens.

ZenXLaika

arturpanteleev you might be right, some people with eyestrain did indeed have other problems that were causing their eyestrain, I think I might have strained my eyes so much that they struggle to work properly now and now has become a life long disability…I also think that stress is to blame because when you have insomnia and struggle to sleep at night you are releasing stress hormones and stress causes alot of problems in your body and at the same time you are looking at a screen that isn't good for your eyes, laptop displays are known to cause eye related problems, but you must know that I have mild astigmatism and people with astigmatism are more prone to getting strained eyes I also already struggle with migraines and anemia, so that might be contributing to my eyes being sensitive and weak ..

Michael-Nurse-Dev

arturpanteleev

"We use to call our problems "eyesstrain" but i think the main problem is not in our eyes. Where is it? I do not know - maybe brain, maybe vascular system, maybe somewhere else."

If you had trauma as a child, either prolonged or even once off and intense, your brain changes and can no longer relax, so it lives in constant 'danger mode'. The side effect is that your CNS begins misbehaving, interpreting various PNS signals as pain that it should not - for me gentle touch makes my arm and shoulder hurt and go numb, for others it is tinnitus, in other cases it affects visual stimulus - LED strain is very common. It gets diagnosed as a hundred different things by 'regular doctors' most commonly being Fibromyalgia, PTSD, Ettienne Barre Virus or ME. (I am not a medical expert so confirm what I am saying with your own research please.)

mazury

You didn't look at any screen for 4 weeks?? Seems like impossible task for me. Did you still read books and papers though?

ZenXLaika

mazury yes, it was hard but I tried to occupy myself in other activities, I only ever looked at a screen for few minutes to download audiobooks, while wearing sunglasses lol and nope I haven't been able to read anything on paper either, you won't believe this but my chronic eyestrain was triggered after a drawing session…I was staying up late too (during the same week and the past few days, I had been binging shows on the Asus laptop and pulling all nighters) at first I didn't pay much attention to it but I noticed that drawing and certain activities were making me feel lightheaded, so one instance when i was making a drawing and finished i started feeling slightly lightheaded/disoriented and ever since then I've been getting dry irritated eyes when looking at phone/laptop screens and drawing or doing any work that requires focus and detail was giving me a migraine…which makes me think that this could be neurological or related to something more than an eyestrain, maybe a chronic case of computer vision syndrome combined with migraine or another eye related problem that went undiagnosed?

mazury

@ZenXLaika So you had sudden onset? Similar to me. I was binging something on netflix I think, (I believe it was Better Call Saul XD) and suddenly I felt dizzy. Got up, extremely anxious, thought I was having some heart attack. Tried to calm down, but it didn't want to go away so eventually I went to ER. They checked me and sent home. That was over 3 months ago and since then a lot of things happened but thats how the origins looked like. Since then I have constant, 24/7 feeling like the images from both eyes are "out of sync" or somehow misaligned, but it's quite hard to describe. Eyes also generally became very sensitive, and extremely painful when looking at LLCDs. 'm basically useless to society since then.

However I keep using screens, not so much as before, but still a bit, as much as the pain lets me, I think that would be about 5 hours daily (compared to over 12-14 before) with lots of breaks. I would love to try to try deconnect from screens completely for at least a week, since I dont work anyway, but I dont know how I will keep my mind busy…

ZenXLaika

mazury you and I might be having the same type of eyestrain..omg and that's exactly what's been happening to me I feel my eyes have become misaligned and out of sync, exactly the same symptoms, what I've speculated from this is that leds can actually mess up your eyes (they should literally come with a warning) and binging is dangerous for your eyes, i'm surprised there isn't much awareness on this and same I can somewhat look at screens but I still end up with a bad migrains and disorientation, if i stare for more than an hour, what improved my problem was taking breaks from screens for maybe a month or a few weeks also getting new glasses, my eyes had become slightly more weak, i assume this triggered my eyestrain, even now I feel that my eyes are misaligned while reading and writing and my head feels tight, so yeah I might never be able to read or write again without having migraines, it's unfair tbh because nobody around you can relate to you and forces you to look at led screens, it's like a curse, I won't be able to game again or look at laptop displays..

ryans

mazury e. Since then I have constant, 24/7 feeling like the images from both eyes are "out of sync" or somehow misaligned,

This sounds like a binocular vision disorder and should be evaluated by a FCOVD optometrist or neurooptometrist.

ZenXLaika

ryans I'm also having the same symptoms mazury is having, i think it might indeed be binocular vision Disorder..

Leachim38

ZenXLaika Why a disorder?

mazury

@ZenXLaika In my case there is also sinusitis problem that unfortunately blurres the whole thing and I cant be sure what is the true cause, at least so far - screen overuse or sinuses. 1 week after that sudden onset I went to do MRI, it showed pretty bad sinusitis (which I didnt know about, it was completely asymptomatic) and 3 cm radicular cyst inside maxilliary sinus. Since then saw plenty of docs, and eventually almost 3 weeks ago had sinus surgery (FESS + Caldwell Luc) in hopes it would resolve eye issues. It did not. It's still quite early so I still have hopes that cleaning sinuses will help, but I already started to tackle this from different angle - orthoptics and vision therapy. Im already diagnosed with convergence insufficiency and found a few eye exercises which I'm doing at home. In a few weeks I will also start vision therapy I think, so we'll see how that will go.

ZenXLaika

mazury exactly, I think mine might also be caused by something similar, since it never went away and I've heard that normal eyestrain or CVS doesn't last long.. I'll have to get my symptoms checked out soon.

mazury

ZenXLaika How long have you had this for already?

ZenXLaika

mazury it started near the end of October, so yep it's been a long time…it has gotten better but whenever I'm writing or reading I get a little dizzy..even now…

ZenXLaika

Leachim38 that's also whats been happening with me, I can't wear earphones for longer because they give me a headache and migraine, I probably have a problem with my nerves around the head, even when I wasn't having an eyestrain I could never wear earphones for longer, it seems that listening to music directly through ears isn't good for my nerves or something.

..although I still wear earphones if I have to, right now I rely on my Bluetooth speaker for music or audiobooks…I'd recommend bt speakers and a usb if you can't look at screens and need to take breaks..

ZenXLaika

Leachim38 binocular vision dysfunction is a condition of the eyes, it's something to do with misaligned eyes, I already have mild astigmatism and wear glasses, I was diagnosed with mild astigmatism last month when I started having symptoms of eyestrain…

ZenXLaika

Michael-Nurse-Dev You mention that "if one had trauma during childhood and always stays in danger mode." it can cause physical problems, I've heard that several times before and don't even get me started on how long I've had anxiety and trauma,

I'm constantly in "Danger" mode too, also I've heard that when you don't sleep on time, your body releases stress hormone and I have mentioned how I was having insomnia during the days I was using the laptop that caused this, while binging shows overnight, 2 months ago prior to my eyestrain, my sleep isn't the best and I tend to wake up in the middle of the night..could it be that stress caused me to develop ledstrain or possibly binocular vision? and will it ever go away on it's on? I f*cking hate my family for not caring about my eyestrain and astigmatism, especially considering how it's effecting my studies…and has basically ruined my life to the point that I can't stop obsessing over it and stressing out if this will ever be "cured"

Sunspark

ZenXLaika The older you get the more aches and pains you will get. The eyes are no different. When you get to your 40s-50s you will have a harder time focusing on text at a close range, and this is something that happens to everyone. There is no cure for any of our problems. The only thing we can do is look for things that help them out. In the case of reading, it's reading glasses. Other things too especially nutrition. So look for the things you can do that is within your ability to do so, rather than focusing on other people who you feel let you down. What good does that do? There is no time machine. Face forward where possible.

I have tons of trauma, don't sleep properly, and my family sucked. I do understand.

Michael-Nurse-Dev

ZenXLaika

It has parallels to my situation but I can make two comments

there are ways to make progress with danger mode (which is not a normal state of mind btw) - CBT, yoga (the ancient Indian version, not the kind with yoga pants) are two examples because at the end of the day THIS is the underlying cause of it all - and the scientific evidence to back this up has become available in the last 10 years or so.
I have not solved my led strain at all - but I keep trying and learning - it is better to be alive and fighting with fckd up eyes than not to have existed at all - so I'll take it, and be glad for it.