Usable Smartphones?

Gurm

Markus What devices and operating systems/software do cause you to strain? I'm curious how alike our symptoms are, because your list of phones that worked is remarkably similar to mine - I used HTC One X, One, One m8 all with no issues. But some software on the m8 didn't work well - the m8 for Windows was no good. Also Marshmallow was no good but not because of the OS, rather because of the firmware update that came with it.

Markus

@Gurm I never had strain after updating a phone to a newer firmware/rom. My HTC one M8 was running on Marshmallow, but because using a custom ROM (Viper) I am not shure if I upgrade the Firmware with the Marshmallow ROM. It is possible to run the Marshmallow ROM on Android Lollipop firmware. The question in that case would be, what cause the dithering ROM or firmware?

Since 2 weeks I am forcing me using a Pixel 2 XL, because that is the phone I like to use. Independant of the straining phone I choose there is no big difference in strain strength. I see no solution for a solution in the next future. Every current device strain me. :-(

On desktop I use and Dell U2412 with Ubuntu 16.04 without any strain. But I recognized that current PWM free IPS-Panel like Eizo EV2455-BK also causing me strain. I am not shure if my Dell causing me a little strain running Windows 10 or if it is just because reading in the forum something about different os can cause strain or not? :-)

Of course you can count on me funding for more research so get a solution for the strain.

Gurm

Markus Windows 10 itself causes strain unless you use the original release - every build from mid-2016 on has strain.

ryans

Markus Since 2 weeks I am forcing me using a Pixel 2 XL, because that is the phone I like to use.

Are your eyes getting used to it?

Markus Of course you can count on me funding for more research so get a solution for the strain.

Other than what we do on here, does anyone else do research that you've seen? I've tried looking and have not found any.

ThaCMaster

Is there a certain setting you guys are using on the HTC 10 that makes it eye friendly? I had eye strain and headaches with that device. Ever since I got rid of my Galaxy S4 it's been nothing but headaches for me.

andc

ThaCMaster
Panels may come from different manufacturers, so one may be good while other not.

I'm using mine with RGB color profile (vivid one is straining) with screen temparature set to warmer at around 1/2 of left side of scale. Also brightness is set to adaptive with level around 1/4-1/3 of the whole scale. When used with high brightness this screen may be hard to use.

I hope these panels don't vary as I plan to buy another HTC 10 when battery dies on this one. I remember there was an issue with pink tint during first few weeks due to glue used for the screen, so it could have some effect too. Now I don't notice it, so it's probably dried off.

ThaCMaster

I might buy it again to give it another try. I don't want to keep buying and returning though on these accounts because I've returned a lot of phones and electronics lately because of eye strain and they start restricting your account haha. I bought it because based on what I read on it, it seemed to be the one with the best chance of not hurting my eyes.

jasonpicard

Markus Samsung S2 and Yotaphone 2 both OLED give me no eye strain. I eventually want to buy another OLED phone as that's the only time I have any luck. I'm using Yotaphone 2 right now.

hpst

jasonpicard Have you looked at an iPhone X for any length of time? I got instant weird feelings in a shop, like worse than most things and even older phones there. It's supposed to be OLED and I think the XS newer model is as well but I've not seen one. I've not spent enough time with any Android OLED phones to be sure but a Samsung OLED tablet did seem hard to look at...or maybe just different but I already had strain that day. I was hoping OLED would be some magical solution at one point even if it was gonna be a while before laptops and desktop monitors were common. Clinging to my Windows Phone Nokia 635 for now as its comfortable.

jasonpicard

hpst keep in mind every single Samsung phone and tablet uses pwm except the S2. I heard the apple OLED phone doesn't use PWM at 50% brightness. Every other brightness it does. There is a test of it somewhere in the internet. I have not tried it though. I still have hope for OLED because I have had the most luck with it.

AGI

hpst You may want to check the XS as unexpectedly gave me no problems over 20 min. I tested the X months ago when it came out, and it was dreadful with long lasting suffering. I have no idea why the XS would be better than the X though. It would be nice to hear a confirmation and find out what they eventually differ by.

JTL

jasonpicard I heard the apple OLED phone doesn't use PWM at 50% brightness

I've heard it still does

ryans

Has anyone tried Galaxy S9 or Pixel 3? Verizon is offering $400 off for Black Friday.

Gurm

ryans I used an S9 briefly and it was tolerable for short usage. Don't know how it would fare over the long run, but I might check out this deal on Friday... it's currently $33/mo. but with the $400 credit that'd be more like $15/mo. which is much more palatable...

They're running the deal on the LG V40 ThinQ as well, I might check that out since some people thought the G7 ThinQ was good, and I know someone (JTL) was using the V20 without issues.

tfouto

AGI
Xs Max: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_45s_a.jpg

X: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_41a1.jpg

The Red and Green components, has bigger intensity on XS than the X.

Also the blue component is slighty narrow, but just slightly. Less on the left side. Supposly the worst side.

ryans

Gurm I might check that out since some people thought the G7 ThinQ was good

In the store, I thought both ThinQ's looked better than the S9 myself. Did someone on here tell you that ThinQ's are better?

Gurm

ryans Someone had mentioned it, I believe in this thread.

tomek

With XS I think it depends from screen factory, I had one from Apple store online, and it was surly better then one I have now. I had to return it and then I've tried XR from Apple online and it was 100% worse than XS as I wrote before.
So I've bought for me XS and my wife XR in other store in my town and when I compare this two now XR seem to better for me. Not perfect but better. After two weeks of usage XS I can use this for 30 minutes some day longer some day not.
XS is better for me than XR with size and two cams. I will give it some time if not I will change this with my wife's XR. I use this now with mate screen protector and it dont help a lot. I ordered also some expensive ZAAG screen protector with blue light filter, but I don't think it will help and I hope they return 30 days policy work as they wrote..

Gurm

tomek I love Zagg protectors for their protection and clarity but NOT for my eyes. For my eyes, Skinomi TechArmor Matte is the only thing that makes the screens better...

degen

KM Picking up the OnePlus 3 tonight secondhand. Will implement your suggestions. Fingers crossed!

KM

degen I hope it works for you, too. Keep in mind you will look at PWM during the initial setup process if the environment's light is too low. Doing it right next to a window could help.

degen

KM How important did you find Paranoid Android for eye comfort? I'm on 8.0 right now and I spent all night trying to do this without success (fastboot not working and tried all solutions I could find). I will try it on 8.0 for now.

Also how are you setting to to 65/255 brightness?That brightness manager seems to be gone.

Leachim38

The only phone which I know that actually works with me is a Samsung S4 Mini. I have whole my life Eye strain with certain screens. Is there anybody who also has no eye strain with the S2 and can recommend some other phones? The new Samsungs and Apple's dont work for me.

jasonpicard

Leachim38 S2 OLED screen gave me no eye strain. I'm now only using the Yotaphone 2 OLED screen OLED side it gives me no eye strain. I can't use any LED screen without getting eye strain. This phone is the only thing that doesn't cause strain. If I use the crappy e ink side I get strain. OLED side no issues. I have had it for two years now.

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