But to add, I of course hope that instead of us having to take medication, manufacturers would pay attention to the harmful effects of flicker and revert back to manufacturing displays that don't irritate the eyes

Maxx

You didn't understand my comment I think. When I say inject I just mean something that enters your body whether is by drinking, eating, whatever else. I'm not saying you're using a needle lol.
Also, it's just a warning. Don't know why you're so defensive about it. If you're satisfied then fine, do what you wish.

Maxx

As for a solution, I have a working setup for now. And a 2015 phone. For luck, I don't need a car right now, but I plan to buy one from years ago cause I had to sell the last one I bought cause of eye strain.

If you're interested, I would suggest you try iodine supplementation, especially Lugol cause it's the purest. The others are shit in my experience.
I took iodine for other reasons but it helped greatly vs eye strain and feeling incomfortable in front of screens.
So, could give it a try.

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    15 years ago there it was quite common for biohackers to recommend iodine, especially Lugols for everything. I was taking for a couple of years, but never noticed any benefit.

    But iodine is something to caution against very easy to take too much and many people have ended up with hypothyroidism as a result.

      Liberator005 I took iodine for other reasons but it helped greatly vs eye strain and feeling incomfortable in front of screens.

      Can you please elaborate? I have never heard of this supplement...why do you think it helped against eyestrain? Thanks.

        AGI Iodine is in e.g. table salt (Lugol's is a brand). The idea in the Paleo diet folks is that when you don't consume table salt, you are iodine deficient. That might well be true if one really avoids all processed foods and does not eat adequate seafood. But I think actual iodine deficiency is rare nowadays. Of course, there is a reason why it is being added to table salt.

        But it won't do anything for the eyes.

          Maxx Thanks. I have not bought salt for 20 years but I eat out a lot unfortunately, and can easily go from zero salt to salty without the slightest problem.
          I think I will pass on this one!

          I'm taking fluxarten which is still a vasodilator and works well but it gives me some side effects if I take 10mg. Someone on the forum had reported an improvement by taking minoxidil (for alopecia) in tablet form which is always another vasodilator.

          I would also like to try minoxidil tablets since I take it topically.

          I decided to experiment with iodine.. I probably am deficient.. I don't use iodized salt, don't buy seafood, etc. so my only source of it is from milk.. as it turns out I had 6 packs of expired seaweed here, so let's see how I feel after 6 days.

            AGI

            Iodine is a very powerful antiseptic. It is for example the main component of Betadine.

            In general though, iodine is just what thyroid requires to function properly. It's naturally mainly found in sea food. And in the 20th century, most occidental countries began to add it to table salt to stop goiters among the population. Since then, the majority of countries in the world add it to table salt, to cattle feeds and so on...

            I agree with Maxx that it's quite hard to be iodine deficient nowadays if you eat average occidental diet. Though certain countries have no iodine salt supplementation but it's quite rare (Lebanon and Israel for ex). Also there are wide differences in the amount of iodine added to salt among countries. Norway adds 5mg/kg, United states and Canada add 76mg/kg... And supplemented salt is not always used.

            Certain doctors like David Brownstein advocate that we all are super iodine deficient cause other halogens (particularly fluoride and bromine) are over proliferating in our environment (water, food and salt additives, mattresses and furnitures, treated wood floors...) According to him, those halogens compete with iodine absorption. And he thinks we need way more iodine to get rid of the excess bromine and fluoride that accumulate in our bodies.

            His views are seen as controversial in the medical world though so I don't know if he's right or wrong.
            Anyway precaution is necessary if someone tries to supplement with iodine, especially lugol cause it's very concentrated.
            Some people on internet say it works like magic with many benefits, some say it has triggered thyroid issues with them like subclinical hypothyroidism or auto immune thyroid issues.

            I took it cause I was feeling fatigued and I thought my new mattress was making me sleep bad (I still think it's the case). You know this smelly new mattresses that smell petrol and chemicals like shit ?

            I didn't take much, I took like 1 drop of Lugol's 5% every week for 2 months approximately. And I have to admit it was very beneficial for me, I felt more energetic, more lively, slept way better, less anxious. But at the end I was feeling like I could get "addicted" to it and would need it more and more. Excess iodine can disrupt the thyroid. So I've just decided to stop it altogether. I make sure I get enough iodine through my diet. I may need to take it again in the future.
            My personal stance on iodine is that it's something that helps in a "bad" environment.
            In general, I dislike supplements and I have never taken any in my whole life until this iodine. I had an intuition that I needed it and it did was very beneficial for me for the time I used it.

            If any wants to try I would just advocate precaution, and never take too much at once.

              Sunspark

              If you do so, I would suggest to use Lugol. The 2% or 5% one. Take only one drop and see how it goes for the next days.

              Really avoid any brand that don't use Lugol's protocol.

              Liberator005 Wow, very interesting, thanks for all the details. Is there a direct way to measure iodine deficiency?

                AGI

                Yes, you do it by measuring UIC (urinary iodine content).

                "Urinary iodine is a well-accepted, cost-efficient and easily obtainable
                indicator for iodine status. Since the majority of iodine absorbed by the
                body is excreted in the urine (4), it is considered a sensitive marker of
                current iodine intake and can reflect recent changes in iodine status (5)."

                From https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/85972/WHO_NMH_NHD_EPG_13.1_eng.pdf

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                I think for this experiment, all I need is just food to start which would be even gentler.. one possible test I can use is just to see if my skin flakes less after eating a pack of seaweed a day. I don't use iodized salt, so with the exception of the occasional food purchase outside, I haven't been getting iodine from any source except milk because I don't cook fish at home (maybe I should).

                Interesting point about fluoride and bromine, my water is both chlorinated and fluoridated. I don't have a problem with that, but if it's erasing the small amounts of iodine I got from milk, then this is interesting.

                Mattresses are a big problem. Don't buy those smelly memory foam mattresses (especially the ones made by no-name Chinese manufacturers). You spend hours attached to it, so better to use regular closed cell foam or springs or something else. Another complication with mattresses is not just whether the material is one that likes to outgas like memory foam, but also all the flame retardants they add in case you are a moron who smokes cigarettes while lying in bed.

                I will suggest that you crack your bedroom window open a little bit at night, even in the winter. It doesn't have to be a lot, even 1 CM is fine. It's just to get some fresher air coming in so you don't just sit there in stale air for hours.

                  Sunspark

                  Yes and especially those flame retardants are brominated flame retardants. They pour bromine in your environment.

                  It's quite hard to find a chemical free mattress nowadays. The "no harmful chemicals" labels are usually useless since they target only a small portion of all the bad chemicals. And manufacturers come up everyday with new chemicals to use instead, that are worse than the precedents. Tho a label is better than no label.

                  Maybe the 100% natural latex ones could be good.

                  dev