Lauda89 Very bad news from me. The combination macbook air M2 + OLED monitor has been giving me major migraine problems since Saturday. I don't understand what happened, the version of macos is always 13.5, I haven't updated anything. Do you have any ideas? I am desperate, it was the only PC I could use without medication
Just curious what happens if you measure the same setup again with your Opple Lightmaster? Does the graph look the same?
GregAtkinson
Seems almost the same to me. This can confirm that in my case is not the PWM but something else that triggers my migraine..
Thanks for checking.
Lauda89 Seems almost the same to me. This can confirm that in my case is not the PWM but something else that triggers my migraine..
I can't remember who on this forum has said this, but I think some people get more sensitive over time. So that's maybe another possibility.
Lauda89 Seems almost the same to me. This can confirm that in my case is not the PWM but something else that triggers my migraine..
For what it's worth, any led light source (light bulb, car dashboard, TV, etc.) can cause headaches for me. So it might be worthwhile to use your Opple around your house and workplace looking for flickering.
GregAtkinson
It may be. Because the MAC was not 100% perfect... a little headache would come but with a break every two hours it would go away, as opposed to PC gaming where I get a migraine and it doesn't go away without the use of medication.
Maybe I have become more sensitive as you said.
I'm thinking of trying to upgrade from MACOS 13 to 14...I don't think it can get worse than that anyway 
GregAtkinson On March 1, I will have my first injection of CGRP inbitors against migraine. I will let you know if they solve the problem or not 
By now I'm tired of living with migraine, so I've accepted that I have to switch to medication and stop wondering why some devices don't make me sick! I can't lose my job, hoping to understand why..
Lauda89 I will let you know if they solve the problem or not
I think a lot of us would like to know whether those work. Good luck!
Lauda89 Something to try with your M2: https://ledstrain.org/d/2686-i-disabled-dithering-on-apple-silicon-introducing-stillcolor-macos-m1m2m3
I've tried it with my M2 Air and it doesn't seem to help me, but you may get better results. Good luck!
GregAtkinson Sorry for the delay but I have bad news. Two days after the injection I woke up with migraine (pressure in my head and great dizziness, as if I had a fever of 39°C) and it is still there WITHOUT using any PC.
Apparently I am part of the "lucky ones" to whom the drug brings out new and worse migraines.
With this I don't want to discourage you from trying-it is usually a drug that works very well against migraines, I guess I am very unlucky. Hopefully it will pass as soon as possible.
Vip
I tried the app (before the injection) but didn't notice any improvement. I remind you that my problem is not eye strain but migraine.
Lauda89 Apparently I am part of the "lucky ones" to whom the drug brings out new and worse migraines.
Yikes. I'm sorry to hear that!
Curious if you've had similar experience with PC?
Is Mac Mini in the same territory as macbooks? Does it use exactly the same components?
Espers Which particular Thinkpad X1 Carbon did you buy?
caoyirui Can we just buy the latest Mac Mini and connect it to a ccfl backlight monitor?
yes, but make sure you have the Stillcolor app running with dithering disabled, and the CCFL monitor is actually true 8-bit which can be rare (i own 3 CCFL monitors that are all 6-bit+FRC no matter what device they are connected to, so not every CCFL monitor is good)
btw i prefer using DVI input on the monitor because it will send an RGB EDID by default
(which means you won't also have to go through the Mac "force RGB" steps that you usually have to do with HDMI to get it to not use YCbCr, which sometimes introduces an additional source of dithering)
So what is the latest situation with those apple mcdonald's laptops in the light of sonoma and ventura, as well as still color apps? Any hope for decent computing experience? Maybe we could create table together in some fashion as bellow:
| Machine | Ventura | Sonoma | Ventura + Stillcolor | Sonoma + Stillcolor | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Macbook Pro M2 13 (Touchbar, IPS) |  | | | | ||
| Macbook Air M1 | | | | | ||
| Macbook Pro M2 14 | | | | |
Also, if we gather all information in a structure form as to some sort of proof of Apple negligence and real harm caused by the device (or specific features/flaws of it), we could potentially use this information to put Apple to court for negligence (or other classification)
Donux So what is the latest situation with those apple mcdonald's laptops in the light of sonoma and ventura, as well as still color apps? Any hope for decent computing experience? Maybe we could create table together in some fashion as bellow:
First of all I think we need to not use ridiculous analogies and stick to concrete facts.
Second of all I still have some ideas up my sleeve to potentially escalate these issues to "the right people" for (at least) some awareness and potential investigations.
