GregAtkinson On March 1, I will have my first injection of CGRP inbitors against migraine. I will let you know if they solve the problem or not 
By now I'm tired of living with migraine, so I've accepted that I have to switch to medication and stop wondering why some devices don't make me sick! I can't lose my job, hoping to understand why..
I'm testing as many MacBooks as possible. Here are the results.
Lauda89 I will let you know if they solve the problem or not
I think a lot of us would like to know whether those work. Good luck!
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Lauda89 Something to try with your M2: https://ledstrain.org/d/2686-i-disabled-dithering-on-apple-silicon-introducing-stillcolor-macos-m1m2m3
I've tried it with my M2 Air and it doesn't seem to help me, but you may get better results. Good luck!
GregAtkinson Sorry for the delay but I have bad news. Two days after the injection I woke up with migraine (pressure in my head and great dizziness, as if I had a fever of 39°C) and it is still there WITHOUT using any PC.
Apparently I am part of the "lucky ones" to whom the drug brings out new and worse migraines.
With this I don't want to discourage you from trying-it is usually a drug that works very well against migraines, I guess I am very unlucky. Hopefully it will pass as soon as possible.
Vip
I tried the app (before the injection) but didn't notice any improvement. I remind you that my problem is not eye strain but migraine.
Lauda89 Apparently I am part of the "lucky ones" to whom the drug brings out new and worse migraines.
Yikes. I'm sorry to hear that!
Curious if you've had similar experience with PC?
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Is Mac Mini in the same territory as macbooks? Does it use exactly the same components?
Espers Which particular Thinkpad X1 Carbon did you buy?
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caoyirui Can we just buy the latest Mac Mini and connect it to a ccfl backlight monitor?
yes, but make sure you have the Stillcolor app running with dithering disabled, and the CCFL monitor is actually true 8-bit which can be rare (i own 3 CCFL monitors that are all 6-bit+FRC no matter what device they are connected to, so not every CCFL monitor is good)
btw i prefer using DVI input on the monitor because it will send an RGB EDID by default
(which means you won't also have to go through the Mac "force RGB" steps that you usually have to do with HDMI to get it to not use YCbCr, which sometimes introduces an additional source of dithering)
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So what is the latest situation with those apple mcdonald's laptops in the light of sonoma and ventura, as well as still color apps? Any hope for decent computing experience? Maybe we could create table together in some fashion as bellow:
| Machine | Ventura | Sonoma | Ventura + Stillcolor | Sonoma + Stillcolor | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Macbook Pro M2 13 (Touchbar, IPS) |  | | | | ||
| Macbook Air M1 | | | | | ||
| Macbook Pro M2 14 | | | | |
Also, if we gather all information in a structure form as to some sort of proof of Apple negligence and real harm caused by the device (or specific features/flaws of it), we could potentially use this information to put Apple to court for negligence (or other classification)
Donux So what is the latest situation with those apple mcdonald's laptops in the light of sonoma and ventura, as well as still color apps? Any hope for decent computing experience? Maybe we could create table together in some fashion as bellow:
First of all I think we need to not use ridiculous analogies and stick to concrete facts.
Second of all I still have some ideas up my sleeve to potentially escalate these issues to "the right people" for (at least) some awareness and potential investigations.
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JTL If you will have a courage to replace "I" with "we", we might have a chance for success - as collective legal action is more effective then the one which comes from a single individual.
As to an analogy of McDonalds - this refers to a term called "McDonaldization". It is a proper academic term taught in universities throughout the world. It is used in this context to enlighten broader context of organizations, products and its users.
Apart from actual term, juxtaposition of two brands that are very well known is very appropriate in my opinion. As it shares some common traits such as convenience and simplicity, yet on another side of a spectrum there is a hidden externalities of scientifically proved bad diet, as well as - eye strain as we observe in in this forum and website. People struggle, yet at the same time they are addicted. There is similar strategies of neuromarketing at play. Perhaps, there was a reason why many CEO's of major brands do not share the same consumption patterns as ordinary consumers do.
Back to the legal action, if it is provable that apple products have caused symptoms people describe on this website, (e.g. documenting various observable flickers and causes of it, as well as how eye reacts to it with help of medical professionals), apple is fully responsible for it and it means it has to compensate those individuals. This is negligence. General rule if you are in position of great influence or/and power, you have universally expected duty of care. So apple knowingly or unknowingly shipped products that have observable flaws which renders them unfit for use without causing a harm. And - if not all customers are affected by it - there must be a legal clause and/or notice to consumers about it. Just like with nuts for example, as some people have allergy to it and even could die from it. Failure to inform consumers, would cause direct responsibility to the company for any negative outcomes people with allergy to nuts have experienced.
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macsforme I can also confirm that one of my 2015 machines has a harsh panel while another has a calm panel (subjectively). The other two have not been tested extensively yet.
macsforme Three of the four (including the one I subjectively find most comfortable) return the exact same entire EDID string, while the fourth is not a byte-for-byte match but when parsed by edid-decode all values still appear to be the same.
Just in case anyone might rely on it, I wanted to officially recant my claim that one of my four 2015 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro screens was more comfortable than the others. In fact, all four seem uncomfortable in roughly equal degree. There were some differences depending on the operating system version and configuration running on the machine each screen was connected to, which initially led me to mistakenly believe there was a variation. At the end of the day, after a day or two of use (with a delayed onset), all of these 2015 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro screens give me headaches and vision problems.
I plan to make another thread sharing more research and overall findings regarding this MacBook model with regards to eye strain.
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macsforme Good to know, yep, this lines up with my experience - my 2015 15" AMD rMBP sucks. The thing I'm interested in though is how much better are the 2012/13/14 NVIDIA rMBP models?
I made a huge mistake picking up a 2015 15" when I heard many people relied on 2013 15" models here (naively thinking it was the same exact laptop with just slightly newer specs and Force Touch, which it wasn't).
In fact I remember reading that the display connector was modified between 2014 and 2015, all older Retina LCD panels cannot fit into specifically the 2015 model.
I really want to know whether the earlier models truly are that much better - or it's just that the people here who rely on NVIDIA models are only PWM sensitive and not temporal dithering sensitive
And how about Samsung vs. LG panels, and the older variant of LG panels present on Late 2012/Early 2013 that had the image persistence issues? Or Early 2013 15" vs. Late 2013 15" in general? I wonder which panel / device combo is truly the best in regards to comfort
macsforme Thanks for the update. I actually just received my M1 Macbook Air 13" the other day and tried using StillColor and blue light apps, and my blue light blocking glasses and I felt the same eyestrain that I have with every other M1/M2/M3 Macbook Air/Pro. I'm not sure what they're cooking over there at Apple, but I really wish they would give us some more configuration options. I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggles with MacBook laptops (and their MacBook Mini).
FYI, I returned the Macbook Air M1 13" to the store
whystrainwhy you're definitely not the only one. The 13" M1 is the machine I discovered this problem on. Was really looking forward to it too.
Hopefully enough of us returning them for eye strain and headaches will get noticed by them.