Dadab12

Glad it is getting better! The gpu it really is designed to run with the studio or game ready driver installed not uninstalled of course. So it's normal gaming fps would be low without driver. Perhaps reinstalling the driver with clean installation would improve fps?

I have on discrete gpu with color control set to no dithering and at night with my DIY gel screen filter placed over the screen. The laptop display is bright. I set it to 50-70 percent brightness indoors and its more comfortable. Also, the default color temperature at least on my panel is too high/bluish. Maybe try also running IRIS or a blue filter all the time not just at night.

      photon78s Thank you. I'm running the games with the newest drivers ofcourse. It seems like I get the drops because the CPU/GPU overheat. Don't know why.

      My screen also seems bluish.

      Have you used DDU? Do you know if it deletes chipset or any other driver other than the Nvidia one?

          Dadab12 there is a known issue with the 7i that certain RGB color settings change the fan settings in a undesirable way. I remember reading about that on reddit

            Dadab12 doesn't nvidia control panel let you alter the color settings? Could make it warmer color temp? Would you say with dgpu forced it's comfortable at 240hz? I have a 7i I've been sitting on but afraid to try it because my flare-ups are severe. I think the best setup would be 1809 win10 running on it in terms of comfort. One other thing is you can try to find the oldest 40 series driver, someone was mentioning here that a newer driver version was bad but one that was older was better I can't remember the version #. OH also disable the keyboard backlight if you havent.. it rapidly flickers colors BAD. You should see photons video on it, I accidentally saw the vid and it bugged my eyes.

                jordan

                Yikes! Hopefully seeing the backlight flicker video does not bother him as much as it did you (actually the link is expired). That is why I don't upload my microscope videos.

                  jordan I can alter the colors in the nvidia control panel I believe.

                  I';m not sure the 240hz makes it better. I have eye strain.. and nausea. it's like my stomach drops. I thought it was fine, but it's only during the night.

                  my keyboard backlight is off. That's for sure.

                  I don't know what to do.. ill try more drivers and perhaps a freshly installed windows, but I don't think I can be productive on this pc. It's so fucking unfortunate. Don't knwo what to do or buy instead. There are the Macbooks but I have no clue about Mac.

                  edit: Edit: also i can’t install older drivers now? says it’s incompatible with this version of windows. Incompatibility with the graphics hardware.

                  Only the latest game driver/studio works. what the heck.

                      Dadab12 I';m not sure the 240hz makes it better

                      same for me: 120hz doesnt help. win11 23h2 flickers more than win10 22h2, also the flicker type is differs

                      btw available 2.2 version of ditherig for iGPU, it has 4 modes and work, but OS still flicker even in No dithering option

                          simplex why didn’t you return the laptop? have you tried a different one?

                              Dadab12 why didn’t you return the laptop? have you tried a different one?

                              its my 2nd modern laptop with "flickering". I returned the first one in sep23 coz thinking it have bad screen (I also ordered and measured it with Opple4 but found no PWM), but now I more sure the problem was (and current problem) not in screen/gpu, it is OS rendering/flickering (younger than w10 1809). Reading this forum I found earlier notices, so perhabs MS tested more than 5 years different types of image-rendering with priority on wide-gamut. Mass implemention started in 2020 ( win10 2004 ), and now people made some PC or laptops upgrade and meet new drivers / OS build and notice headaches.

                              Its too hard now to buy bad ( PWM ) screen laptop ( not talking about OLED )

                                Dadab12

                                This is unfortunate. Why only during the night? Would non-gaming desktops or laptops be an option for you? That would give you more choices at the very least. I mentioned my T480s (a laptop from 2018) which I run linux mint on and came with license for windows 10 pro. From just what people post on this forum, it looks to me that older pcs (and monitors) are in general "safer".

                                    Dadab12 How do I change to 120hz? I only have 60hz and 240hz option.

                                    You can use this tool to set resolution and framerate you want (p.s. i own lenovo thinkbook it also has 60/120 only, but using CRU I can set 48, 100 etc)

                                      photon78s i love the occasional gaming.

                                      though im old now and don’t enjoy it as much.

                                      im willing to try the t480, but i live in europe so the pricing is higher for those models which kinda sucks. if I buy this laptop, how can i buy the win10 enterprise edition?

                                          Dadab12

                                          I don't know about buying activation keys. I gave up on using windows 10 enterprise LTSC 1809 without activation key and using linux mint for browsing, documents, etc on the T480s. I only have experience with the T480s model not the regular T480 model without the s. I know the T480s is thinner and lighter than the T480.

                                          I bought it used from ebay as it is an obsolete model with the WQHD 2560x1440s display and no nvidia gpu configuration. It came with windows 10 pro pre-installed. This is a computer from 2018 and should be much less expensive than "modern" ThinkPads. Perhaps others can recommend a safe windows 10 version to use that will automatically activate with the T480s.

                                          Booted temporarlly into windows 10 pro and I use hwinfo to determine the panel model and I then bought another panel (B140QAN02.3 also bought from ebay) and swapped out the original lg panel (LP140QH2-SPB1) it came out. Worth the trouble for me as I measure less pixel flicker under the microscope with the alternate panel. Here is where how I learned to swap out the panel. Edit: less but not no pixel flicker and strangely the pixel flicker gets worse as the screen is used over the course of the day. Then the next day/morning, the screen would flicker less again.

                                          My concern is panel lottery and what works for me might not work for everyone. But then this is why folks here are constantly trying out multiple different computers and configurations.

                                            My thinking is that the more screentime you have, the more you are damaging yourself and the longer the required recovery period even if the screen is technically "perfect" as far as one could objectively measure with current tools and theories. Of course, some are better than others. Even with knowing some guidelines (no flicker, no harsh blue light, etc.) it is still hit and miss and a trial and error process of finding what works.

                                            For myself, I've never noticed significant eyestrain problems until 2022. Over the years, I've used multiple "bad" screens (from crts to ccfl backlights to cheap PWM led backlight monitors) from laptops and desktops that we would consider junk by today's technical standards and those didn't really bother me before. Definitely the tech has changed (hardware in step with software) perhaps with unintended bad consequences and the same with the living environment and the rhythms of daily life.

                                            However, I have changed as well. Gotten weaker over time from stress, overwork, missed opportunities for rest and exercise and the all important recovery from any insult to the body. Perhaps screens I was able to adapt to and tolerate are not anymore due to these cumulative health changes.

                                            My ongoing search for personal health solutions:

                                            Take breaks (I've already mentioned doing the 20-20-20 rule)

                                            Deep relaxation breathing is essential for stress recovery and energy and oxygenation to body and eyeballs

                                            Massage type exercises you can do yourself not just from physical therapist etc. For example pressure points around your eyes, temple, neck, back of your head. Also, don't forget to blink.

                                            Diet and foods to help promote normal blood circulation and detox. I've also mentioned before the eye, liver, kidney connection.

                                            Others are recommending eye patching and special glasses beyond the typical blue light blocking type. Lots of info on this forum.

                                            Some sites to help find "your" monitor (always check and cross check the info):

                                            https://pcmonitors.info/

                                            https://www.displaydb.com/

                                            https://www.displayspecifications.com/en

                                            https://www.displayninja.com/

                                            photon78s The forum member DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs mentioned the 2012 Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga with Win8.1 as safe here:

                                            FYI, the laptop is only completely safe when ditherig.exe is running with disable all dithering functions checked

                                            By default, without ditherig there is some temporal dithering that I can notice that interferes with reading long lines of text (although even by default it's still better than so many other laptops lol)

                                            But thankfully, it can be entirely disabled with ditherig and become an entirely safe laptop!

                                                photon78s

                                                Tinkering with the Legion, I noticed that the colors, brightness changes when I switch between modes (quiet, balanced and performance). The best mode for my eyes in quiet. I don't understand what is happening.

                                                Also, I'm pretty sure my eyes like the UHD graphics more than the dGPU option. Especially on quiet mode.

                                                There is also a possibility that something changes when i unplug the laptop from the battery source. I'm trying to figure out how to configure the laptop so it doesn't change monitor settings when switching between all modes. I know there is an option, but can't figure it out.

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