safest windows 11 version ?

autobot

What is the safest windows 11 version ? How good is it ?

Donux

autobot Get the newest windows 11 and take all the comments about OS versions with a grain of salt. There is something else going on, but people blame external factor for it. I assume because of external locus of control. We need that survey to find out more factors about sufferers, including their occupation. And of course, take a walk in the wild forest regularly.

Reinhard62

I was on Windows 11 23H2 for 2 months. After that I couldn't read small print any more.

I went back to Windows 10 21H2 (22H2 might be okay too) and slowly my eyes have been getting better again.

autobot

Reinhard62 I have a mini PC that only supports+ win 11. It would be helpful to find a good windows-11.

Reinhard62

autobot Maybe it SAYS that it only supports Win 11 - but why should that be?

Have you at least tried to install Win 10?

autobot

Reinhard62 Yes, i've tried. It doesn't work well.

Reinhard62

autobot Sorry to insist on this. But if you install the necessary drivers windows 10 will work as well as 11. And your eye problems will be gone.

autobot

Reinhard62 i know. But windows 10 doesnt work well on that machine. Ive tried.

It doesnt work probably because the manufacturer havent released drivers for 10.

Reinhard62

Then at least go back to Win 11 21H2. That should be okay according to here: Link.

See post from February 15th.

Aquila

In my experience every win 11 version is bad for eyesight and for migraine.

The best for me is Win 10 1809.
Now I'm testing Win 10 20h2 and seems good.

I'll try 21h2 as Reinhard62 says here.

We have an OS topic in my Group Led Eye Strain
[https://t.me/ledeyestrain](https://)

Reinhard62

Yesterday I recovered my image of Win11 23H2 to try ColorControl.

Regrettably it didn't seem to have any effect.

Returning to Win10 21H2 was such a relief! The writing and everything stands completely still, like chiseled in stone.

jordan

Reinhard62 what graphics card and CPU? Also is it latest graphics driver ?

Aquila

Reinhard62 Did you tested other win 10 versions? What 21h2 build is? Thx a lot

Reinhard62

jordan Notebook (Lenovo T16 Gen1) with AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 6850U, graphics Radeon 600M, latest AMD driver. Display is PWM free, so only dithering was an issue.

Reinhard62

Aquila

If I remember correctly, Win 10 22H2 was also okay.

But since I wanted longer updates I chose Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (based on 21H2) which receives updates until 2032.

Aquila

Reinhard62 Ok, but could be risky leave the updates in the ltsc 2021? There might be some risky update for the eyes

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs

Reinhard62 Win 10 22H2 was also okay

with 8th gen intel UHD graphics, 22H2 (both 10 and 11, I tested both) has noticeably more issues for me compared to previous versions

the only device I've managed to get usable on 22H2 is the Surface Pro 4 (6th gen, HD 520)

whystrainwhy

Reinhard62 How long have you been using this? I know security updates happen until 2032, but don't you need to have an activated version in order to receive them? I thought when you install this version without the license key, it basically serves as a "trial" for a certain amount of time before you have no choice but to activate in order to get the security updates. Has that been the case for you?

Reinhard62

Aquila Yes, I left updates activated. But you are right, you never know.

But should something change for the worse, I have images of C:

Btw This is an enterprise edition which means that it is a no nonsense business version. It comes without any "apps", not even Windows Store is included. So hopefully such gimmicks like dithering won't be implemented here.

Aquila

Reinhard62 Yes correctly. I suggest to install it, block the updates and trying the build without risks, then in the future you could invest your time finding some good updates.

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs

Donux there is 100% a difference with OS versions on some computers, for example Ubuntu 18.04 on 2009 Macbook Pro 13" is great, but macOS Monterey makes the screen feel noticeably more weird, there are even differences in the output showing the same exact photo or screenshot (even when the color profile is disabled) that I can actually see when I take a picture close up with a camera, where pixels at edges of objects within images appear brighter and more exaggerated in a macro shot while running macOS, especially red subpixels

The panel has both PWM and pixel inversion, and the speed of the PWM I see on camera doesn't change between the OSes so it's not that for me. NVIDIA temporal dithering can also be fully disabled on both OSes so it's not that either. Both OSes are fully using the NVIDIA GPU (acceleration is NOT disabled) and even other functions like wireless are fully enabled on both — and yet the screen output is still so much better on Ubuntu…

Interestingly, on macOS the screen output changes (to become even worse and more unstable) when a power adapter is connected, but that doesn't happen at ALL while running Ubuntu on the same computer — so it's definitely something macOS is choosing to do itself and not the hardware.

So it is directly related to a problem with macOS's color output itself, which means the OS installed (which extends to the version of the OS too) does matter

BTW noticed a similar issue on a newer ThinkPad (T460s) I tried but in reverse: brighter reddish edges were much more noticeable in a macro photo of Ubuntu on the T460s (and the screen felt worse)… but the same artifacts were less visible on camera when displaying an exact copy of that screenshot but on Windows 10 instead

jordan

Donux I mean @simplex has recorded a video between win10 1809 vs a newer win10 build and it was easily noticeable how the newer build has pixel flicker that you can see visibly, the pixels were dancing around but weren't on 1809.

Donux

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs I saw Ubuntu next version will fully approve Wayland for nvidia as standard. So that probably means Wayland is not good yet for intel. This should be a step forward, but not yet for intel. As for windows, to me it comes down it OS itself. I have weird symptoms with it, feeling not grounded, and sometimes feeling fatigue and drained. Maybe its psychological, I do not know. With Ubuntu X11 - totally grounded, but there is a bit of tension. I do not know if this is eye strain, or something else. Although, I used to feel the same with it even 10-15 years ago, so I guess it is all good. Next week I will probably sell my macbook air m2 which is now used with NoMachine which is really good on linux, but windows rendering is still better. And my solution would be - stationary Mac Mini 2018 i7 with probably maxed out the rest. This will really make me fully on intel HD 620/630 GPUs, one on lenovo another on mac mini. I will be connecting it for remote access too, so if let say I am working away, I will be logging into it remotely. And my client will be good old lenovo X1. I have a feeling this will work as best as it could possibly be.