KM where are you from in germany? My optometrist will be in munich next week doing a seminar on these issues, he could recommend someone he trusts. Send me pm w email.

Would anyone care for me to upload the written assessment I had done a few years ago? When I got the convergence / accommodative deficiency diagnoses.

Harrison Yes, I am from Kiel, Germany.
Edit: How many are we now with this issue? 5, 6 people?

    It would be interesting to know if there is someone with convergence/accommodation issues who does not suffer of LED-induced eyestrain at the extent we do...vision therapists/optometrists may have some statistics?

    @martin hey Martin, do you mind trying to send me a PM please? I do not seem to have such feature available, and I would like to ask you whether your eye specialist knows someone reliable where I currently live. Thanks1

    Harrison if you are also suffering from bruxismn

    Is that teeth grinding overnight, is not it? I got that too, although probably not always (difficult to know what you are doing when you sleep).

      AGI
      Yeah I mean that. It's very noticeable that many of us are also grinding their teeth.
      Which brings me back to my theory described in the health thread, that grinding your teeth strains your face muscles so much that also your eye convergence/divergence muscles are suffering from it.

      It's also a fact that people with bruxismn also sometimes have untypical vision problems.

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        Harrison Interesting, thanks. I did not know about potential links to vision problems. Are you wearing a mouth guard?

          AGI

          I was. No I'm trying another special orthodontics therapy.

          However it could also be the other way. The bruxismn isn't the root cause, but a sign of a chronical infection, etc.

          I'm trying out different therapies which consider both possibilites.

            Harrison I also have bruxism and sore (mild) TMJ. I have not considered this to be related to my eye issues. There does seem to be many of us on here, though.

            Harrison The bruxismn isn't the root cause, but a sign of a chronical infection

            You mean bacterial infection? Or inflammation? Where? Teeth, sinus,...? I do suffer of chronic sinusitis, which is not always driven by infection.

              AGI

              Hey, sounds very typical for me. Even if I repeat myself. One conclusio of the health discussion was also that many of us are suffering from chronical sinusitis too. So there was/is very much accordance between many of us.

              Probably we are not talking about a bacterial infection. Also I don't know what kind of infection/inflammation it exactly could be, however a permanent activated immune system is a marker for that.
              Also I was texting with CFS sufferer and to a certain degree it sounds very similar to our disease pattern.

              Edit: @AGI you are italien right? Then you are awake very early in order to post in this thread :-P

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                What is CFS?

                Harrison @AGI Then you are awake very early in order to post in this thread :-P

                I forgot to mention sleep disorder :-)
                I live in Asia though...

                  AGI

                  Yeah. I already assumed sleeping problems. Many of us have them too. I'll take some meds and some dietary supplements in order to sleep better.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome

                  chronice fatique could also be the epiphenomenon of a disease we do not know or a new kind of unknown auto immune disease.
                  Also it is possible that the chronice fatique comes from the long lasting bruxismn.

                  The idea of my health thread was to explore these commonalities between us and hopefully find someday the root cause of all this.

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                  Do you think the eye strain could be a somatoform disorder? Hard to believe for me since many of us share a set of triggers and symptoms, but who knows. Today I talked to a renowned specialist in the somatoform field who strongly believes it is a somatoform issue. He didn't explain why and didn't even hear all triggers and symptoms (no time to tell him in detail). All he knows is some lightings and screens cause eye strain and headaches and it's hard to find an explanation. What do you think? I guess when you suffer from a somatoform issue it may be hard to accept it and you would try to find reasons against it. Which could be what I do for example when I say "but others have the same triggers and symptoms" or "this screen always hurts and that screen/setup is known-good, so I can't be imagining things".

                    KM Do you think the eye strain could be a somatoform disorder?

                    I doubt it. I see more as/similar to photosensitive epilepsy (in my case)

                    Dont get me wrong, I can only speak for myself, but - Ive had symptoms of sinusitis when doing the exercises (as well as when being exposed to the harmful displays) and also eventual tightness and cracking in my jaw (very loud one). I got checked for sinusitis and also for jaw problems, sinusitis is negative and Ill get more examinations for jaw. However, since the only significant find is the heterophoria, and since its a very rare and completely under-described phenomenon, I believe it might be that feeling of full sinuses is simply when the muscles (which are in the sinus area) get overworked, and the jaw muscles might tighten due to an attempt of the whole area to keep tight those eye muscles, that due to the heterophoria, cannot keep tight (transferred muscle tension). All these things are well known in other parts of the body with muscle problems (broken toe can transfer to muscle pain in the pelvis, as whole system is out of balance and balances it out with previously unused muscles, or unnatural ones for the task).
                    And since many of you already have a find in the eye-muscle area, Id blame that and incompetent specialists that are not so far able to help you completely.
                    I progress now at a steady pace and I really notice week to week slow but noticeable differences in tolerance. Its like Im training to run a marathon and can run a bit longer every time. However Im not sure if ill be able to run with no end (work on a large problematic display for many hours). I will see.

                      KM somatoform disorder

                      Sounds like they invented a fancy name to not admit they have no clue what is going on :-)

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