hayder1983

I am quite convinced that the motherboard plays a significant role. I changed PC from a ryzen 1700 with X370 motherboard to a ryzen 7900 with b650 motherboard, kept the same video card (RX 480), cable and monitor and after 15 minutes I already have negative symptoms.

I even cloned the old SSD to try to have the same software but nothing, I keep having problems with headaches and dizziness.
There is to say that windows installed drivers even though I had windows update blocker on. I guess they are drivers that it has available without having to connect to the internet! It was something related with the PCI bus..

      Lauda89 which problems did you have with the new motherboard? nausea and brainfog? But i dont get nausea with my Eizo monitor, same DP cable, same power cable, same motherboard. Not sure why it should be the motherboard?!

          Lauda89 it is very possible, that my brainfog is due to the monitor but not due to the colors. Perhaps it is even mainboard induced, but i think it is the best to test another monitor before jumping to conclusions.

            hayder1983 Dizziness / brainfog mainly! I needed more than a week to recover. I think it is a software problem or is the pci express 5.0 slot doing something strange! I have no idea. I honestly thought I was comfortable keeping old GPU and SSD, but no! Now i am waiting to receive the nvidia 1660 super and i will try with that GPU! Otherwise I will sell everything and give intel 12 series a try..

                Lauda89 I also had the same symptoms with the old setup when I had upgraded windows to 2004. So it might just be a software issue, because as I said, even with windows update blocker on, windows installed drivers when it recognized the motherboard change!

                    Lauda89 i think my old mainboard did only have PCI Express 3, but i am not sure anymore.

                      Lauda89 Not sure I understand the "I also had the same symptoms with the old setup when I had upgraded windows to 2004." part.

                      Are you saying that when your old Ryzen 1700 system was updated to windows 10 2004 you had exactly the same issues as with the new Ryzen 7xxx and that's why you kept your win 10 on the pre-2004 version?

                          hayder1983 Hi, thanks a lot for your message. As for my monitor, I have two that I found OK for me, one of them is really poor - it's a plain TN panel. Another one is a iiyama VA panel.

                          One interesting thing is that I seem to have found in the past that it may also be a GPU (or the whole system) vs. specific monitor combination! I also have an older i3-4170 system that I first used with a 6850 AMD card and a very old Benq TN monitor (it was a cheap setup used in my second house). All was perfect. Then I changed the graphics card to NVidia 660. Terrible… I felt it immediately, unstable picture, made me feel dizzy, was hurting my eyes, very obvious. But I knew this card was OK, but I always used it with another TN panel. Brought the panel over to my second house and… all OK, no problem at all. It was years back and on Windows 7.

                          BTW finding a good monitor for me is an incredible pain too. However after this finding I'm no longer sure if it's always the monitor. I returned many displays back in the day, most of them were tested with that GTX 660… what if the problem always was in that 660??

                              machala # This could be, but it is hard to tell. And it is easy to test a new monitor or use a different laptop with your monitor. And a lot of people at this forum had less eye strain when switching the monitor, including some switching to older models or some using new TN-Panels.

                              But there was also one guy who is using a external GPU box(forgot the name) so he can use any laptop with an old Nvidia GPU. They still sell this thing, it is meant for super powerful GPUs, but you can just insert an super old PCI express card and therfore use your laptop with your favorite external desktop GPU. Not sure it works with desktop PCs though. He was quit happy and said after a few months that his eyes returned to normal that way.

                              I tested my phone and my TV yesterday. Even my TV is brighter than my monitor. My eyes are watering because of the overly red monitor but not on the brighter more saturated TV. My phone is OLED and is set to "vivid" colors and neutral white. It is a perfect device, always automatically right brightness, best thing i ever bought. Colors are vivid, saturated but they all look perfectly natural, perhaps a bit oversaturated, but nice to look at. No problems when i turn up brightness to max, no eye twitching. If i put my phone on my desk, saturation looks like my monitor at 100% saturation, but colors are not jumping into my eye.

                              After that i tried on my phone:

                              • more reddish whitepoint -> Eyecramping and watering after 1 minute use.
                              • Blueish whitepoint -> nausea
                              • neutral whitepoint -> perfect device

                              So i tried switching my hue lamps

                              • warmwhite -> eyes feeling uncomfortable
                              • neutral white -> too bright
                              • neutral white + 80% brightness -> totally comfortable

                              Then the TV. which has the following settings:cold, neutral, warm1, warm2, warm3

                              • cold -> nausea
                              • neutral -> too bright
                              • warm1 -> perfect brightness but white looks a bit greyish/dirty, but eyes are not reacting
                              • warm2 -> eye cramping

                              This is new. My eyes never reacted that way to warm color temperature. My old TN-Panel had a slight warm touch. I was even using the Eizo ev2495 at 5000K for at least 100 hours(it is now at 200 hours usage according to its settings menu). White is my problem, it needs to look a certain way, otherwise my brain thinks i got food poisoning or my eye is dirty or sth.

                              I dont think my eyes are the cause, i think the BenQ panel is the cause . It is too much light in the colors, too vivid or just too much contrast. My OLED phone is vivid and can go brighter than my monitor and i have 0 problems with it, and it has super high contrast, so i am a bit clueless.

                              And yes it might not be the panel, but the Intel mainboard or the GPU, but my new monitor will arrive today. My docking station for steam deck/laptop arrived yesterday, so can now test any of my devices with any monitor and switch fast. I will try some combinations and share. But this BenQ became unusable for me, and this is like after hundreds of hours of usage.

                                machala So the LG246GL00F-b Panel arrived today, i am using it right now. I cant/wont jump to conclusions, but there is nothing overly reddish to see. Dark saturated colors dont jump out of the screen, Colors arent glowing, but everything is saturated(using 100% saturation). It is a TN-Panel-look much like my old TN-Panel. Perhaps a little more saturation than my old Panel. Still nothing looks greyish, it is just much less light in all of the dark saturated colors.

                                You can not only adjust RGB Gain, but also RGB saturation induvidually. There is also a sharpness slider, black booster, freesync and alot of other stuff. Freesync tested in a few benchmarks, works great, no flicker until yet.

                                I need at least a week for my eyes to adjust, but even when this particular TN-Panel wont work, i am pretty sure that TN-Panel with its limitations to colors and contrast is better suited to my eyes than vibrant VA-Panel, because my eyes have their limitations too.

                                  Clokwork

                                  I have an 6500XT 4GB card and i have eye issues from my build. If you say it's not the 6500XT card , then it mus lt be the windows then ( i had Win10 and now 11 and they both give me terrible eye pain ). Or maybe the monitor 🤷

                                  Thanks for clarifying that 6500XT doesn't use temporal dithering tho 👍

                                      Is there any relatively modern card that I should test? Summarizing this thread only a W5500 is a relatively safe bet in terms of eye strain?

                                      Allekss do you experience physical eye pain due to your setup or is it more neurological. By that I mean symptoms such as brain fog, vertigo, etc…

                                          Allekss

                                          Have you tried Linux? You can try it from a just booting from an USB stick as a live image.

                                            Clokwork it starts with eye pain and if I continue i get brain fog and sometimes i can not speak properly. If i don't use PC/TV for a week it returns to normal . Strange

                                              machala Yes, I meant that.

                                              With the 1700X I was stuck with W10 1809, then I tried to upgrade to 2004 and it was a disaster.

                                              So I went back to 1809 and a year later I tried to upgrade to 21H1 and it was fine.

                                              So I'm currently using 21H1 on the 1700X+RX 480, while the 7900 seems to give me problems with 21H1, both with the RX 480, nvidia 1660 super and the integrated GPU.

                                              I have a feeling it is a motherboard problem but I have no certainty.

                                              I may try to install W10 1809 and see how it goes but I am losing hope.

                                              I'd like to try a 13700K but I'm afraid to spend another 1000 euros and end up with a mountain of hardware to have to sell.

                                              EDIT: Another option I have is to upgrade the bios to my motherboard (crosshair vi hero) so I can install a 5700X/5800X3D on it and stay that way for another couple of years.

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