Temporal Dithering Sensitivity - My Solution
NedLud A question - for PCs, does disabling/uninstalling the the integrated GPU in the Device Manager help stop the Dithering by forcing the OS to use the outboard GPU?
On almost all laptops the discrete GPU (ie Nvidia / AMD) always passes its output to the integrated GPU (ie Intel / Ryzen) to be displayed on screen. So the integrated GPU has the final say on what dithering or processing takes place.
When you disable the integrated graphics card in device manager, Windows reverts to a basic driver to do this task, which often looks easier on the eyews, but lacks any power saving features or anything like the power that the GPU would have with the correct driver activated.
degen After final testing, the HP Omen 15 is not good for me.
Sorry to hear that. Don't suppose you have tried the exact model that I did? I've honestly not used a computer like it in terms of comfort: HP Omen 15-ek0005na
Surely that's worth trying before going to the e-ink route?
JonnyT Hi @JonnyT - the laptop you have bought has Nvidia Advanced Optimus which allows you to connect the laptop display directly to the discrete GPU. Follow the steps here to use the Nvidia GPU Only:
NVIDIA Advanced Optimus Overview | NVIDIA (custhelp.com)
This is probably your best shot at making it comfortable to use. Remember symptoms can take a few days to settle back down for most people on here. Good luck!
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si_edgey thanks so much. Is the Optimus feature good to allow me to do this or have I made a mistake? I specifically went for a gsync one based on previous comments.
It also says the following. Would the following be the case even if I’ve selected the discrete mode only? Ie will this disabling only work if my laptop is plugged in? If I disable intel in device manager would that help things or be unnecessary?
‘The display will not switch to discrete GPU in the following scenarios -
The display will not switch to discrete GPU if the application in allow list is a DirectX9 application.
The display will not switch to discrete GPU if there is a DirectX9 application already running.
The display will not switch to discrete GPU if the system is running in battery mode (DC)
The display will not switch to discrete GPU if there are any external monitors connected to the system
The display will not switch to discrete GPU if an external-GPU (eGPU) is connected to the system.
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Edit: This was incorrect information.
You will know the laptop is in Discrete GPU (Nvidia-only) mode because the Intel graphics will not be present in the device manager. There will be nothing to disable if it’s set up correctly.
Those conditions you posted are only valid when in the Automatically Select mode. When in “Nvidia GPU only” mode, the Nvidia GPU is always used.
Go into the Nvidia Control panel, then to Manage Display Modes, then select “NVIDIA GPU only”. If you do this the Intel graphics will not appear in the device manager.
degen Go into the Nvidia Control panel, then to Manage Display Modes, then select “NVIDIA GPU only”. If you do this the Intel graphics will not appear in the device manager.
Just to confirm, is this 100% accurate for Advanced Optimus? It is for a standard MUX switcher but I was wondering if because AO allows you to switch without restarting perhaps the Intel would still show?
Either way, it definitely bypasses the Intel graphics altogether @JonnyT.
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That is my memory of using the Lenovo Legion 5, that using the Nvidia control panel to discrete mode was like using the switch in BIOS. You’re right though, I can’t be 100% sure. I hope I didn’t give bad advice.
I am wondering how you set up your display mode settings in the Nvidia control panel, and what is the result in the device manager. Did you change to Nvidia GPU only in the Nvidia Control Panel? Are both Intel and Nvidia present in the device manager, or just Nvidia?
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So it has arrived!
I managed to set it as Nvadia GPU only in the Nvadia display settings. However, in control panel it still has the Intel UHD graphics listed and enabled. With it like this I can change brightness still.
Do I need to disable the Intel UHD there as well? Doing so means I can't change brightness . Is it necessary for me to disable it in device manager as well or can I trust that selecting is in nvadia will do the job ?
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JonnyT My statement about it being removed from the device manager is incorrect!
If you want to make 100% sure you are using the Nvidia graphics, you can boot into the BIOS and set it there. I read your machine has the option to do that (hopefully I’m not wrong on that count!).
Turn this off. According to Dell manual it’s in the Display subsection.
degen app I went into bios and turned off the hybrid option you explained. The only difference I notice compared with turning it off through nvadia direct is that the machine is noisier (fan comes on and off- won’t go onto quiet mode). It’s still enabled in device manager. I can disable it for what it’s worth but then I can’t adjust brightness.
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JonnyT I guess the machines are configured differently by the manufacturer. On the Lenovo Legion 5, Intel graphics is removed from the device manager completely when disabling hybrid graphics in the BIOS (this still didn't make the machine usable for me, but this is a different story). I remember that clearly.
I also remember that in the Nvidia control panel in Display Modes, when Advanced Optimus is enabled (I believe you have disabled it now), you can see which display adapter "drives the laptop display" (as in the Nvidia link si_edgey posted). It will say:
Current Status: [Depending on settings, Intel or Nvidia GPU here]
That the machine is noisier is a good sign that you are set to the Nvidia graphics.
The display output is different when in Nvidia vs Intel graphics mode. With experimentation, I think you will be able to feel it. For me, Nvidia output wasn't the cure, but it was definitely different. Since you have the machine, spend some time in each mode.
Edit: For posterity. One of the interesting things about the Lenovo Legion 5 I briefly owned is that the Intel graphics could be completely disabled from the BIOS by switching to Discrete graphics mode (MUX switch). This had the advantage of allowing me to install the Nvidia graphics adapter in Windows 8 with no need to install the Intel adapter (which would not install in Windows 8 or older versions of Windows 10 anyway), and have full control over the brightness, etc. The Intel graphics adapter was not present in the device manager, at all, when in this mode.
degen having spent the day on it today- I still felt nauseous :-(
I would have thought there would have been an obvious improvement but to be honest I don’t see much difference. I want to give it longer than the 2 weeks I’ll have but think I’ll be sending it back most likely. What to try next I don’t know but I don’t think the whole nvidia cpu gsync thing is the solution for me :-(
I wish I had a usable laptop to work on :-(