Lauda89 because the dithering should not be linked to the CPU but instead with the GPU and monitor

Ah, this isn't actually the case in most laptops @Lauda89 - only laptops which have G-Sync capabilities where you can switch so that the display is connected directly to the dGPU,

In almost every other case, the frame buffer of the discrete GPU is passed to the integrated GPU to be displayed on the screen - what you're talking about is true for a desktop machine however. 😀

@weasley - as you'll know, in this game it is literally impossible to make recommendations for other people - what works for one is by no means guaranteed to work for another as we're talking about a neurological condition here.

I would, however, be tempted to suggest a G-Sync laptop as there is at least some fleeting evidence that it works for some, myself included (although I only tried the one laptop).

weasley does on your Omen machine the main display still run on the igpu?

The reason I bought the Omen laptop is because you can switch it to run exclusively on the discrete GPU and bypass the Intel GPU altogether. There are more details on this in the original post. G-Sync laptops allow you to switch to the dGPU only, but at the sacrifice of any kind of power saving possibilities.

        si_edgey Thanks for your response.
        Since its incredibly hard to find a TN panel gaming laptop anyway, my best bet would be a g-sync laptop with discrete option, which if i'm correct the legion 5 pro does offer.

        I won't have the money for it until next month but I will let everyone know how the experience is for me.
        Hopefully giving everyone some feedback how to solve the issues for them as well or perhaps not fixed at all.

        I should notify however that after my 8th visit to an optician they finally noticed that my right eye is a bit slower to respond than my left eye and slightly moves to the left, meaning I have "double vision" this is something I don't notice myself because my eyes work really hard to fix this, and is even very hard to detect for opticians (and other doctors) but could according to the optician, have a high chance of being the reason my eyes get fatiqued or even painful, I have to go to an actual eye doctor to get this fully checked out, after its all 100% correctly measured and figured out, all I would need is a prism in my glasses and the vision should be restored to normal and my eyes wouldn't have to work as hard.

        I am not sure how rare this issue is to be honest since I just heard about it but perhaps could be something to look out after if you already tried everything to fix eye fatique/strain but nothing helps.

          Just returned my Lenovo Legion 5 Pro. Not as bad as PWM, or previous laptops like Surface Laptop, but still the temporal dithering eye strain after a normal workday. Eyes very dry and irritated even in the next morning.

          I received my Lenovo Legion 5 Pro yesterday, managed to get one sooner, because they are very quickly running out of stock.
          My first experience is pretty good, my eyes got a little fatiqued but it was also late and I was tired myself so that could've been a factor.

          Also usually in the morning my eyes are very tired, this time I was completely fine.
          For me so far this seems like a huge upgrade.

            7 days later

            I hope weasley comes back to chime in.

            For me it was clear as day that I could not use the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro as a work laptop. Maybe I could use it few hours here and there, but not on consecutive days. I would find it hard to believe that if weasley is sensitive to the similar flicker or has similar eye strain problem that I have, that he would be able to use it.

                5 days later

                Bassiehetkoekje

                Maxx

                I've been testing it for awhile, at this point i'm not a 100% certain its the screens that cause my eye - fatique / strain.
                Sometimes it looks like it does, and sometimes I can look at it just fine.

                With that said, I do believe I have more rest on my eyes than my other laptop (y720 from lenovo).
                I have made some changes however to what feels like makes it better, I keep playing with settings untill I feel like i've found the perfect setup.

                Currently I have:

                • Windows Nightlight on at 55% strenght.
                • Graphics on discrete (this is default, but good to check in the bios and lenovo vantage)
                • X-rite collor assistant is on "Rec.709" profile (I believe this helped the most), "default" seems too bright.
                • Brightness of screen about 80%

                If anyone has other settings they use i'd love to hear ofcourse.

                So as for laptops this has been the most comfortable so far, but like Maxx said, I'm not sure if i'm actually sensitive to screens like some of you are or if there are other factors at play here.

                    15 days later

                    I've been testing the HP OMEN 15-ek0027nb for one week now.
                    As far as I can tell, it has the exact same specs as the HP Omen 15-ek0005na that @si_edgey has tested.
                    I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use. (on all other devices, I start noticing symptoms within 10 minutes). It's not quite like "looking at paper", but it's a game changer for me.

                    All I did was activate the 'discrete graphics' and install W10 v2004. But even more surprising: I updated to the latest Windows version yesterday and I'm still not experiencing any issues. Not sure if this will continue though; haven't been testing that long.

                    I'm a bit unsure about what to do now... I was planning to send this laptop back after testing. But it's the only
                    device that has worked for me in the last 2 years (excluding e-ink devices). I'm not sure whether I'll be able to find another laptop that also works for me, seeing that the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro isn't a unanimous success for people. I know, I should try for myself... But I'm just so excited to have something that works! I don't want to send it back 😅

                    PS: I don't want to give people false hope, but please give this laptop a try if you can. It seems like not many people have done so yet. It would be very useful to know if there's something special about this particular device...

                    PS2: si_edgey I would be very interested to know how things are going with the Omen-inspired system. If it works, I'd like to replicate it! (this thing is a bit noisy for my taste)

                        Bassiehetkoekje Keep it and enjoy it! 🙂
                        Remember that the same SKU can be good or bad if you buy 10 times the same model. If you read the topic about MBP 16" on macroumors many users tried to buy the laptom many times until they find one device with no eye strain. So keep it 😉

                          It would be interesting if we could identify the panel model; HWInfo shows something close to the actual thing. I saw on HP site that it is a 144Hz IPS one. I would be interested in it too, if I could use it on my Zbook

                            Bassiehetkoekje As far as I can tell, it has the exact same specs as the HP Omen 15-ek0005na that @si_edgey has tested.
                            I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use. (on all other devices, I start noticing symptoms within 10 minutes). It's not quite like "looking at paper", but it's a game changer for me.

                            Great news! If you're up to it maybe try prolonged use (9-5 workday) or even watching a movie/gaming on it, etc. Test it in every possible environment if you can.

                            I would love to buy this laptop for testing, unfortunately I don't have the funds at the moment, but it looks like a very capable spec and somewhat future-proofed for now. @si_edgey , are you still happy with the laptop?

                            I'd also be interested to know if you've tried using an external monitor(s) and if the comfort continues without using the laptop panel?

                              Bassiehetkoekje Congrats on finding a solution! I'm definitely going to try to test it out as soon as I can.

                              I'd really be interested in figuring out why this device seems to be better eye strain wise than others, is it just the discrete graphics mode?

                                  bkdo I'm going to test it without the discrete graphics mode soon... Can't do it yet though; I re-tested my previous laptop yesterday (to make sure I'm not just suddenly more tolerant myself) and it punished my eyes.

                                    Bassiehetkoekje I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use.

                                    That is fantastic news @Bassiehetkoekje! Congrats - that's the same experience I had with the Omen, I was able to use it without any symptoms whatsoever.

                                    Bassiehetkoekje I'm a bit unsure about what to do now... I was planning to send this laptop back after testing. But it's the only
                                    device that has worked for me in the last 2 years (excluding e-ink devices). I'm not sure whether I'll be able to find another laptop that also works for me, seeing that the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro isn't a unanimous success for people. I know, I should try for myself... But I'm just so excited to have something that works! I don't want to send it back 😅

                                    I experienced this exact same issue. I loved the laptop, because I could use it without symptoms. But the lack of power saving options when using a discrete GPU, combined with the weight and noise from the machine, made it impractical for me to actually own.

                                    Therefore I sent it back before the end of the 14 days - I have to say I was sad to see it go as I was enjoying gaming again for the first time in year (despite having a degree in games development).

                                    However I also have my Dell XPS 15 (see original post) that I can work on all day comfortably, so that's the main thing. FWIW, if I didn't have another comfortable machine I would 100% have kept it. This answers your question too @diop.

                                    Bassiehetkoekje I would be very interested to know how things are going with the Omen-inspired system. If it works, I'd like to replicate it! (this thing is a bit noisy for my taste)

                                    I haven't actually got around to this - I spend long hours speccing it all up but I've never ordered it. I guess when I'm in a part of my life where I'm not experiencing chronic migraines, there's little incentive to 'rock the boat'.

                                    So glad it works for you too - I love that this forum can make you feel a little less crazy, knowing that others have the same issue which is imperceptible to most.

                                            Sunspark It's a LG Philips LGD05C0. This is the classic a-Si type of panel not LTPS or IGZO.

                                            Very interesting! I currently use an a-Si screen, which is excelent for me, the AU B156HAN01.1, and I strongly recommend it to anyone to try! But as the new models use slimmer panels, I need to look for a new one, as the old one does not fit. I have tried severals without success for my new ZBook 15 G6 laptop. What do you think about the new LTPS and IGZO, how are the ergonomics?
                                            I didn't know about theese technologies untill now, and I started researching. Maybe a thread about panel technologies or panel models should be usefull?

                                              5 days later

                                              Wonder if there are any desktops with G-Sync anyone has tried? Such that it will not use Intel graphics? I am pretty confused on the laptop vs. desktop and G-Sync here.

                                              It seems like the HP Omen is an outlier given the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is not good for strain.

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