Bassiehetkoekje

Maxx

I've been testing it for awhile, at this point i'm not a 100% certain its the screens that cause my eye - fatique / strain.
Sometimes it looks like it does, and sometimes I can look at it just fine.

With that said, I do believe I have more rest on my eyes than my other laptop (y720 from lenovo).
I have made some changes however to what feels like makes it better, I keep playing with settings untill I feel like i've found the perfect setup.

Currently I have:

  • Windows Nightlight on at 55% strenght.
  • Graphics on discrete (this is default, but good to check in the bios and lenovo vantage)
  • X-rite collor assistant is on "Rec.709" profile (I believe this helped the most), "default" seems too bright.
  • Brightness of screen about 80%

If anyone has other settings they use i'd love to hear ofcourse.

So as for laptops this has been the most comfortable so far, but like Maxx said, I'm not sure if i'm actually sensitive to screens like some of you are or if there are other factors at play here.

      15 days later

      I've been testing the HP OMEN 15-ek0027nb for one week now.
      As far as I can tell, it has the exact same specs as the HP Omen 15-ek0005na that @si_edgey has tested.
      I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use. (on all other devices, I start noticing symptoms within 10 minutes). It's not quite like "looking at paper", but it's a game changer for me.

      All I did was activate the 'discrete graphics' and install W10 v2004. But even more surprising: I updated to the latest Windows version yesterday and I'm still not experiencing any issues. Not sure if this will continue though; haven't been testing that long.

      I'm a bit unsure about what to do now... I was planning to send this laptop back after testing. But it's the only
      device that has worked for me in the last 2 years (excluding e-ink devices). I'm not sure whether I'll be able to find another laptop that also works for me, seeing that the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro isn't a unanimous success for people. I know, I should try for myself... But I'm just so excited to have something that works! I don't want to send it back 😅

      PS: I don't want to give people false hope, but please give this laptop a try if you can. It seems like not many people have done so yet. It would be very useful to know if there's something special about this particular device...

      PS2: si_edgey I would be very interested to know how things are going with the Omen-inspired system. If it works, I'd like to replicate it! (this thing is a bit noisy for my taste)

          Bassiehetkoekje Keep it and enjoy it! 🙂
          Remember that the same SKU can be good or bad if you buy 10 times the same model. If you read the topic about MBP 16" on macroumors many users tried to buy the laptom many times until they find one device with no eye strain. So keep it 😉

            It would be interesting if we could identify the panel model; HWInfo shows something close to the actual thing. I saw on HP site that it is a 144Hz IPS one. I would be interested in it too, if I could use it on my Zbook

              Bassiehetkoekje As far as I can tell, it has the exact same specs as the HP Omen 15-ek0005na that @si_edgey has tested.
              I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use. (on all other devices, I start noticing symptoms within 10 minutes). It's not quite like "looking at paper", but it's a game changer for me.

              Great news! If you're up to it maybe try prolonged use (9-5 workday) or even watching a movie/gaming on it, etc. Test it in every possible environment if you can.

              I would love to buy this laptop for testing, unfortunately I don't have the funds at the moment, but it looks like a very capable spec and somewhat future-proofed for now. @si_edgey , are you still happy with the laptop?

              I'd also be interested to know if you've tried using an external monitor(s) and if the comfort continues without using the laptop panel?

                Bassiehetkoekje Congrats on finding a solution! I'm definitely going to try to test it out as soon as I can.

                I'd really be interested in figuring out why this device seems to be better eye strain wise than others, is it just the discrete graphics mode?

                    bkdo I'm going to test it without the discrete graphics mode soon... Can't do it yet though; I re-tested my previous laptop yesterday (to make sure I'm not just suddenly more tolerant myself) and it punished my eyes.

                      Bassiehetkoekje I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use.

                      That is fantastic news @Bassiehetkoekje! Congrats - that's the same experience I had with the Omen, I was able to use it without any symptoms whatsoever.

                      Bassiehetkoekje I'm a bit unsure about what to do now... I was planning to send this laptop back after testing. But it's the only
                      device that has worked for me in the last 2 years (excluding e-ink devices). I'm not sure whether I'll be able to find another laptop that also works for me, seeing that the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro isn't a unanimous success for people. I know, I should try for myself... But I'm just so excited to have something that works! I don't want to send it back 😅

                      I experienced this exact same issue. I loved the laptop, because I could use it without symptoms. But the lack of power saving options when using a discrete GPU, combined with the weight and noise from the machine, made it impractical for me to actually own.

                      Therefore I sent it back before the end of the 14 days - I have to say I was sad to see it go as I was enjoying gaming again for the first time in year (despite having a degree in games development).

                      However I also have my Dell XPS 15 (see original post) that I can work on all day comfortably, so that's the main thing. FWIW, if I didn't have another comfortable machine I would 100% have kept it. This answers your question too @diop.

                      Bassiehetkoekje I would be very interested to know how things are going with the Omen-inspired system. If it works, I'd like to replicate it! (this thing is a bit noisy for my taste)

                      I haven't actually got around to this - I spend long hours speccing it all up but I've never ordered it. I guess when I'm in a part of my life where I'm not experiencing chronic migraines, there's little incentive to 'rock the boat'.

                      So glad it works for you too - I love that this forum can make you feel a little less crazy, knowing that others have the same issue which is imperceptible to most.

                              Sunspark It's a LG Philips LGD05C0. This is the classic a-Si type of panel not LTPS or IGZO.

                              Very interesting! I currently use an a-Si screen, which is excelent for me, the AU B156HAN01.1, and I strongly recommend it to anyone to try! But as the new models use slimmer panels, I need to look for a new one, as the old one does not fit. I have tried severals without success for my new ZBook 15 G6 laptop. What do you think about the new LTPS and IGZO, how are the ergonomics?
                              I didn't know about theese technologies untill now, and I started researching. Maybe a thread about panel technologies or panel models should be usefull?

                                5 days later

                                Wonder if there are any desktops with G-Sync anyone has tried? Such that it will not use Intel graphics? I am pretty confused on the laptop vs. desktop and G-Sync here.

                                It seems like the HP Omen is an outlier given the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is not good for strain.

                                So, from your experiences, is the resolution a factor to ergonomics? I mean the QHD vs FHD on a laptop?

                                17 days later

                                It seems my eyes have dryness issues aswell, they recently plugged it and now my eyestrain is a bit less random.
                                I can look at my phone or TV all day without issues, (Huawei p30 pro & Samsung Q95T), yet the laptop seems to still give me some issues, I have it for awhile now so returning won't be an option sadly.

                                The specific HP laptop mentioned above is not available in my country either, but one similar with same panel is available.
                                I would rather have a 3070 either way since its my main gaming rig, i'll manage to keep this laptop for a few years and then sell it to try a HP with a similar panel but perhaps renewed.

                                2 months later

                                Hi Guys, I have the same problem discussed in this post.

                                Till last week, I was using Desktop with Intel HD Graphics 2500 (i5 3470T). I have not faced any issues in last 8 years. I upgraded to HP Victus Gaming laptop last week and within few minutes of usage I got sever headaches. I extended to external FHD monitors, adjusted so many different combinations of brightness, contrast and settings. But no luck. Then I came across this blog and I totally agree to the problems faced by many. I got another laptop from my friend which is based on Intel HD Graphics 4600 and tested there. I got the same headache. So my assumption is, I can tolerate only up to HD Graphics 2500.

                                So now I am planning to build a desktop with old processor. Can you suggest what best configuration I can go and still wont get any problem of these. My plan is to make the latest laptop virtual host and access that laptop from the old computer. So that display will be of old computer but applications can run in my latest laptop config. Is there any better way to solve than this?

                                Can someone give what changed after HD Graphics 2500?

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                                  karthi3219

                                  It might be similar to what I experienced recently, trying to upgrade i3-3220 with HD 2500 to i7-3770 with HD 4000: https://ledstrain.org/d/1213-intel-hd-2500-is-fine-but-hd-4000-is-straining

                                  I could not stand HD 4000, so I switched back to my old CPU (keeping other upgrades: RAM and SSD).

                                  There is no guarantee my setup will work for you, and I don't know why things work or don't work, but it is:

                                  Motherboard: Asus P8H77-I with Intel H77 Express chipset

                                  CPU: Intel i3-3220

                                  Connection: VGA

                                  Monitor: Philips 190VW (CCFL backlighting) at about 90% brightness, so that PWM does not bother me. The other monitor Samsung 971P is connected by DVI, but I use it as a second display only. It tires my eyes when used as the main display.

                                  If you still have your old system, it would be ideal to simply continue using it, probably upgrading some other components if it feels slow. For me, even on an i3-3220 with 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD everything is very fast.

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