bkdo I'm going to test it without the discrete graphics mode soon... Can't do it yet though; I re-tested my previous laptop yesterday (to make sure I'm not just suddenly more tolerant myself) and it punished my eyes.

    Bassiehetkoekje I almost can't believe it, but I'm experiencing no eyestrain after 3 hours of daily use.

    That is fantastic news @Bassiehetkoekje! Congrats - that's the same experience I had with the Omen, I was able to use it without any symptoms whatsoever.

    Bassiehetkoekje I'm a bit unsure about what to do now... I was planning to send this laptop back after testing. But it's the only
    device that has worked for me in the last 2 years (excluding e-ink devices). I'm not sure whether I'll be able to find another laptop that also works for me, seeing that the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro isn't a unanimous success for people. I know, I should try for myself... But I'm just so excited to have something that works! I don't want to send it back 😅

    I experienced this exact same issue. I loved the laptop, because I could use it without symptoms. But the lack of power saving options when using a discrete GPU, combined with the weight and noise from the machine, made it impractical for me to actually own.

    Therefore I sent it back before the end of the 14 days - I have to say I was sad to see it go as I was enjoying gaming again for the first time in year (despite having a degree in games development).

    However I also have my Dell XPS 15 (see original post) that I can work on all day comfortably, so that's the main thing. FWIW, if I didn't have another comfortable machine I would 100% have kept it. This answers your question too @diop.

    Bassiehetkoekje I would be very interested to know how things are going with the Omen-inspired system. If it works, I'd like to replicate it! (this thing is a bit noisy for my taste)

    I haven't actually got around to this - I spend long hours speccing it all up but I've never ordered it. I guess when I'm in a part of my life where I'm not experiencing chronic migraines, there's little incentive to 'rock the boat'.

    So glad it works for you too - I love that this forum can make you feel a little less crazy, knowing that others have the same issue which is imperceptible to most.

            Sunspark It's a LG Philips LGD05C0. This is the classic a-Si type of panel not LTPS or IGZO.

            Very interesting! I currently use an a-Si screen, which is excelent for me, the AU B156HAN01.1, and I strongly recommend it to anyone to try! But as the new models use slimmer panels, I need to look for a new one, as the old one does not fit. I have tried severals without success for my new ZBook 15 G6 laptop. What do you think about the new LTPS and IGZO, how are the ergonomics?
            I didn't know about theese technologies untill now, and I started researching. Maybe a thread about panel technologies or panel models should be usefull?

              5 days later

              Wonder if there are any desktops with G-Sync anyone has tried? Such that it will not use Intel graphics? I am pretty confused on the laptop vs. desktop and G-Sync here.

              It seems like the HP Omen is an outlier given the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is not good for strain.

              So, from your experiences, is the resolution a factor to ergonomics? I mean the QHD vs FHD on a laptop?

              17 days later

              It seems my eyes have dryness issues aswell, they recently plugged it and now my eyestrain is a bit less random.
              I can look at my phone or TV all day without issues, (Huawei p30 pro & Samsung Q95T), yet the laptop seems to still give me some issues, I have it for awhile now so returning won't be an option sadly.

              The specific HP laptop mentioned above is not available in my country either, but one similar with same panel is available.
              I would rather have a 3070 either way since its my main gaming rig, i'll manage to keep this laptop for a few years and then sell it to try a HP with a similar panel but perhaps renewed.

              2 months later

              Hi Guys, I have the same problem discussed in this post.

              Till last week, I was using Desktop with Intel HD Graphics 2500 (i5 3470T). I have not faced any issues in last 8 years. I upgraded to HP Victus Gaming laptop last week and within few minutes of usage I got sever headaches. I extended to external FHD monitors, adjusted so many different combinations of brightness, contrast and settings. But no luck. Then I came across this blog and I totally agree to the problems faced by many. I got another laptop from my friend which is based on Intel HD Graphics 4600 and tested there. I got the same headache. So my assumption is, I can tolerate only up to HD Graphics 2500.

              So now I am planning to build a desktop with old processor. Can you suggest what best configuration I can go and still wont get any problem of these. My plan is to make the latest laptop virtual host and access that laptop from the old computer. So that display will be of old computer but applications can run in my latest laptop config. Is there any better way to solve than this?

              Can someone give what changed after HD Graphics 2500?

              • annv replied to this.

                karthi3219

                It might be similar to what I experienced recently, trying to upgrade i3-3220 with HD 2500 to i7-3770 with HD 4000: https://ledstrain.org/d/1213-intel-hd-2500-is-fine-but-hd-4000-is-straining

                I could not stand HD 4000, so I switched back to my old CPU (keeping other upgrades: RAM and SSD).

                There is no guarantee my setup will work for you, and I don't know why things work or don't work, but it is:

                Motherboard: Asus P8H77-I with Intel H77 Express chipset

                CPU: Intel i3-3220

                Connection: VGA

                Monitor: Philips 190VW (CCFL backlighting) at about 90% brightness, so that PWM does not bother me. The other monitor Samsung 971P is connected by DVI, but I use it as a second display only. It tires my eyes when used as the main display.

                If you still have your old system, it would be ideal to simply continue using it, probably upgrading some other components if it feels slow. For me, even on an i3-3220 with 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD everything is very fast.

                    annv

                    Thank you for the reply. In my old system some issue with mother board.. I'm planning to repair my old system and continue to use it.. I got shocked to know that I have this issue.. hope the hardware manufacturers comes up with some solutions for guys like us.

                      si_edgey

                      As I know new Dell XPS 17 9700 and 9710 have the same BIOS option allowing you to switch whether the Intel or NVIDIA GPU controls the display outputs (including the built-in display), but this is not offered on the Dell XPS 15th. (It also has 0 PWM ).

                      Looks like this BIOS option is available only with an NVIDIA RTX GPU, not the GTX.

                      If someone has it on hands, we should definitely give it a try as well.

                      Battery life and fan noise could be an issue as well here, that's why better to try it before purchasing.

                          krr55

                          krr55

                          Wont Nvidia cards create these issues strains and headaches? In that case can I build desktop with AMD processor without GPU and add Nvidia graphics cards for GPU and display? Is this a good idea?

                                karthi3219

                                In this case mentioned here in the original post Intel Graphic drivers were the reason for eye strain, he switched from Hybrid graphics to Nvidia Discrete graphics only and display became calm and "felt flat like paper".

                                    krr55

                                    Yes, I verified this today with my AMD Ryzen 7 laptop. If Nvidia cards are used, display is bearable. if its integrated AMD Radeon graphics then its unbearable. Unfortunately my laptop don't have option to completely disable the integrated graphics. I am exploring the internets for any solutions to disable and switch the graphics completely to dedicated Nvidia cards. It seems my laptop Victus don't have that option.

                                      a month later

                                      si_edgey

                                      I have setup the image with color ( #c84141) as desktop back ground. In my old processors with external monitors, I am seeing lots of small horizontal black lines. Is this the one you are referring as Banding? In my latest systems and processors, I am not getting this in my external monitor.

                                          karthi3219

                                          Image is 90 degree rotated. You can see lots of black lines vertically in the uploaded image. In monitors these are horizontal lines

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