https://www.firstpost.com/tech/gaming/hp-launches-gaming-laptop-victus-refreshes-hp-omen-16-omen-17-and-omen-25i-gaming-monitors-9651171.html it seems the new Omens are now Eyesafe-powered. Which is same as the new Dell XPS 15. Do we think this has helped?
Temporal Dithering Sensitivity - My Solution
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Wonder if there are any desktops with G-Sync anyone has tried? Such that it will not use Intel graphics? I am pretty confused on the laptop vs. desktop and G-Sync here.
It seems like the HP Omen is an outlier given the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is not good for strain.
Bassiehetkoekje Hi, do you have the exact specs that you ordered? Thanks
So, from your experiences, is the resolution a factor to ergonomics? I mean the QHD vs FHD on a laptop?
Quad43
Specs can be found here: https://support.hp.com/be-nl/document/c06723200
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It seems my eyes have dryness issues aswell, they recently plugged it and now my eyestrain is a bit less random.
I can look at my phone or TV all day without issues, (Huawei p30 pro & Samsung Q95T), yet the laptop seems to still give me some issues, I have it for awhile now so returning won't be an option sadly.
The specific HP laptop mentioned above is not available in my country either, but one similar with same panel is available.
I would rather have a 3070 either way since its my main gaming rig, i'll manage to keep this laptop for a few years and then sell it to try a HP with a similar panel but perhaps renewed.
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Hi Guys, I have the same problem discussed in this post.
Till last week, I was using Desktop with Intel HD Graphics 2500 (i5 3470T). I have not faced any issues in last 8 years. I upgraded to HP Victus Gaming laptop last week and within few minutes of usage I got sever headaches. I extended to external FHD monitors, adjusted so many different combinations of brightness, contrast and settings. But no luck. Then I came across this blog and I totally agree to the problems faced by many. I got another laptop from my friend which is based on Intel HD Graphics 4600 and tested there. I got the same headache. So my assumption is, I can tolerate only up to HD Graphics 2500.
So now I am planning to build a desktop with old processor. Can you suggest what best configuration I can go and still wont get any problem of these. My plan is to make the latest laptop virtual host and access that laptop from the old computer. So that display will be of old computer but applications can run in my latest laptop config. Is there any better way to solve than this?
Can someone give what changed after HD Graphics 2500?
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It might be similar to what I experienced recently, trying to upgrade i3-3220 with HD 2500 to i7-3770 with HD 4000: https://ledstrain.org/d/1213-intel-hd-2500-is-fine-but-hd-4000-is-straining
I could not stand HD 4000, so I switched back to my old CPU (keeping other upgrades: RAM and SSD).
There is no guarantee my setup will work for you, and I don't know why things work or don't work, but it is:
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-I with Intel H77 Express chipset
CPU: Intel i3-3220
Connection: VGA
Monitor: Philips 190VW (CCFL backlighting) at about 90% brightness, so that PWM does not bother me. The other monitor Samsung 971P is connected by DVI, but I use it as a second display only. It tires my eyes when used as the main display.
If you still have your old system, it would be ideal to simply continue using it, probably upgrading some other components if it feels slow. For me, even on an i3-3220 with 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD everything is very fast.
Thank you for the reply. In my old system some issue with mother board.. I'm planning to repair my old system and continue to use it.. I got shocked to know that I have this issue.. hope the hardware manufacturers comes up with some solutions for guys like us.
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As I know new Dell XPS 17 9700 and 9710 have the same BIOS option allowing you to switch whether the Intel or NVIDIA GPU controls the display outputs (including the built-in display), but this is not offered on the Dell XPS 15th. (It also has 0 PWM ).
Looks like this BIOS option is available only with an NVIDIA RTX GPU, not the GTX.
If someone has it on hands, we should definitely give it a try as well.
Battery life and fan noise could be an issue as well here, that's why better to try it before purchasing.
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In this case mentioned here in the original post Intel Graphic drivers were the reason for eye strain, he switched from Hybrid graphics to Nvidia Discrete graphics only and display became calm and "felt flat like paper".
Yes, I verified this today with my AMD Ryzen 7 laptop. If Nvidia cards are used, display is bearable. if its integrated AMD Radeon graphics then its unbearable. Unfortunately my laptop don't have option to completely disable the integrated graphics. I am exploring the internets for any solutions to disable and switch the graphics completely to dedicated Nvidia cards. It seems my laptop Victus don't have that option.
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I have setup the image with color ( #c84141) as desktop back ground. In my old processors with external monitors, I am seeing lots of small horizontal black lines. Is this the one you are referring as Banding? In my latest systems and processors, I am not getting this in my external monitor.
Image is 90 degree rotated. You can see lots of black lines vertically in the uploaded image. In monitors these are horizontal lines
Hey, do you reckon a similar HP laptop would work? I am looking at the HP Victus 16. It also uses RTX
specs: https://www.hpshop.co.za/hp-victus-16-d0007ni-i7-gaming-laptop
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Hello,
I'm grateful for this thread and everyone's on-going work to figure this out. I have a 2013 Macbook Air that gives me no problems. I bought a 2020 Macbook Pro and my eyes started burning and losing focus. I've been reading this thread and others to figure out what to do.
I am curious about the Amulet Hotkey solution. I just googled "Amulet Hotkey Dithering" and got a result that seems to look promising, but I don't know enough to really tell. It's a PDF (https://resources.amulethotkey.com/download/AN_057_Temporal_Dithering_on_macOS.pdf) that seems to have a series of steps to disable dithering.
Can any of you tell if this is Amulet actually releasing its info on how to disable dithering?
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Hi all -- thanks to everyone for this thread. I'm loving the collective problem solving.
As I have been reading these forums I'm a bit overwhelmed by the possible options. There is not a works-for-all tech fix because people have different experiences with different hardware. The back and forth dialog is amazing, but leaves my head spinning with the options. I have been trying to piece it together but I'm a history major getting my ass kicked by all of the tech options. I use macs because they are plug and play.
I'm trying to create a summary and step by step process to go through to find a solution. I'm hoping this is helpful to other newbies entering this forum as well.
I'm imagining something like: 1.) Here are the options that seem to work for the most people (lap tops, monitors) 2.) Here are the modifications to make to your OS for those options.
Here is my summary so far. I'm wondering if any of the pros on this forum can offer advice, feedback and current best thinking.
Summary
There are many possible causes:
drivers
the software you're running
GPUs
cables
monitors
"For some a PWM free display might solve the issue, for some a higher refresh rate monitor will work, some will have a faulty graphics card that needs to be replaced"
PMW
- notebookcheck.net has reviews of laptops to see if the display uses PWM. (Heads up that the site's detail is overwhelming for the non-tech savvy (aka: me) )
Dithering
Dithering.exe is an app that can remove dithering in PCs
- One post said "Dithering 1.11 - it is much better than 1.12+3"
- Another asked if dithering.exe worked with AMD machines
Drivers
The Intel GPU seems to be the culprit for many.
- One solution is using older versions of Window. "These days I just use the oldest drivers possible on Window 10 version 2004 (driver version 21.20.16.4475) and I can use it without symptoms. Switching to the later Intel drivers either makes me dizzy, or triggers a migraine."
- Lap tops with G-sync are working for several people. The theory is that it forces the computer to bypass the integrated Intel GPU and connects to the discrete Nvidia GPU.
- The Omen 15-ek0005na works for some when it is switched into Discrete graphics mode. But that kills power saving and the machine is big, heavy and loud.
- Acer Predator laptop with Nvidia 1070, G-Sync support, and a PWM free matt screen. It also has Acer's proprietary Bluelight Shield.
- Lenovo Legion 5 Pro works for some, not for others.
It seems important to dig into the version of Windows and multiple settings in the display and others. But that's when things get past my depth, so of anyone wants to add info, please help.
Macs
Macs cause problems for most people in this forum.
- The new Macbook Air with the M1 chip worked for a few but didn't work for others.
- One post had good results with a Mac Mini with Asus 27" MX27UC monitor
- On other forums, several people reposted this (though it didn't work for me): System Preferences > Display > Color and then change the profile to sRGB or something other than P3. It will look quite over saturated but the working theory is that dithering is being used to approximate the P3 gamut, selecting sRGB may disable this.
Monitors
External monitors have the same problem if the issue is the driver/dithering.
There is a partial discussion on G-Sync ready monitors and whether they are able to use the G-Sync work around.
Some discussion about how to use the G-sync work around with desktops
Monitors with NanoIPS cause a lot of people eye strain.
KSF red phosphor in the backlight is too vibrant, the red color is the main cause of eye strain
Switching to sRGB helped some
Others found the strain went away after about 2 weeks
That's what I've pulled together from this site. What have I missed?