I’m super curious what the card could be doing. FWIW, I’ve returned a TN panel as it didn’t agree with my eyes. I avoid them.
Eye strain with new gpu
What monitor exactly did you use/own when having GTX1070? If u had the same 240hz monitor RTX 3070 caused some bad dithering. In my opinion if you combining RTX 3070 with new LED monitor its getting even worse. Maybe it won't fix everything but you can search for used CCFL monitor. Unfortunately it won't be 240hz matrix, it can be max 120hz and this one will be still hard to find.
The only thing ive changed now. Is my ghrapics card and dp instead of dvi.
Using the orignal 2720z benq i've been using for 5 years.
Ill try to find a CCFL
I am only speaking from my small experience. I am not an expert. There are so many variables to finding display which is easy for your eyes. I personally can't stand LED displays. For you LED display was working, There are post in this forum where people are searching for fine GPU, Many people complain about only changing GPU and problems starting. Even when for example changing GTX970 to GTX1070. People also noticing differences between type of cable which the connect display with GPU. If you find used CCFL monitor I think it can be worth a try. If this won't help u can search for some other resolutions, eventually you maybe force to buying your exact GPU model the GTX1070 and returning to this BENQ monitor.
I found this post maybe here is solution for you: https://ledstrain.org/d/1048-new-graphics-card-rtx-3090-gives-eyestrain
and here is my post I was also looking for good monitor: https://ledstrain.org/d/1530-what-to-choose-6-bit-or-8bit-ccfl-ips-or-tn/5
thank you alot hellojacob
Ill try to find a founders 1070 again, fpsheaven
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This thread is eye opening. (no pun intended). somehow my hi spec'd system from 3 or so years ago isn't eligible for Win 11 because of my i7 version. I'm planning on a new build and considered upgrading my 1070 with something newer, but now I'm very concerned. I guess I will build around it…
Trying to think out of the box, since these newer cards still support 8 bit profiles, I'd like to rule out temporal dithering. Brightness tends to be controlled by the display, so I am hypothetically ruling out PWM. This leads me to think that it could be how the screen is redrawn. Deciding what order the pixels are drawn.
On a slightly different note, here are some differences between the 1070 and the 3070 that may be worth mentioning:
- The 3070 supports NVIDIA DLSS. The 1070 does not.
- The 3070 supports Ray Tracing. The 1070 does not.
- The 3070 supports DirectX 12. The 1070 does not.
The 3070 has upgraded encoding and decoding. Pascal vs Ampre:
| GPU Architecture-> | Ampere | Turing |
| Manufacturer | Nvidia | Nvidia |
| Fabrication Process | 8nm (Samsung) | 12nm (TSMC) |
| CUDA Version | 8 | 7.5 |
| RT Cores | 2nd Generation | 1st Generation |
| Tensor Cores | 3rd Generation | 2nd Generation |
| Streaming Multiprocessors | 2x FP32 | 1x FP32 |
| DLSS | DLSS 2.0 | DLSS 1.0 |
| Memory Support | HBM2, GDDR6X | GDDR6, GDDR5, HBM2 |
| PCIe Support | PCIe Gen 4 | PCIe Gen 3 |
| NVIDIA Encoder (NVENC) | Gen 7 | Gen 7 |
| NVIDIA Decoder (NVDEC) | Gen 5 | Gen 4 |
| DirectX 12 Ultimate | Yes | Yes |
| VR Ready | Yes | Yes |
| Multi-GPU Support | NVLink 3.0 | NVLink 2.0 |
| Power Efficiency | Better than Turing | Better than Volta |
| Video Outputs | HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a | HDMI 2.0b, DisplayPort 1.4a |
| Graphics Cards | RTX 30 Series | RTX 20 Series, GTX 16 series |
| Applications | Gaming, Workstation, Artificial Intelligence (AI) | Gaming, Workstation, Artificial Intelligence (AI) |
References:
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To everyone suffering from GPU switch, especially after 9x series to 1x and above. My 960 got fried recently so I changed to a used 1070. Before it arrived I used the onboard Intel UHD630 with no issues at all (no ditherig nothing, just the registry key tweak that I apply religiously, but it's probably fine without it as well) since my screen is trusted and I even bought one more of the same for the future. Got the 1070 yesterday, and since the GPU doesnt have analog out, I'm using HDMI-VGA converter. All looked fine but one thing - colors felt awkward, contrast was bumped up, saturation as well. Blamed it on the adapter, just to realize that the new GPU supports full range RGB on monitor. Guess what, it was turned on. Setting it to limited brought back the calm whites and overall feel of "ok this is my old monitor". So pay attention to your settings if colors trigger you. That said, I was at the PC the whole day yesterday even on full range, but it felt too bright, no tension headaches or strain that makes you wanna run away from pc, just too much white that dried the eyes out. Even tweaking monitor wasn't helping. Before this I didnt even have the setting active in my Nvidia CP, so it was limited by default., May not be a cure for everyone if your monitor is bad(or too good which for some of us = bad), but if you switched and noticed it going worse, check it out.
P.S. the adaptor itself was cheap, so I've ordered a DP->Vga with high ratings just to have it. Also all my cards were EVGA, had zero problems with the brand being founders or not.
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Clokwork yeah by the way, an update, the issue wasn't completely on the dynamic range, because its closer now but still some gamma issues, like if you turn it up too high the font shadows etc get eaten up, if you turn it too low it gets too dark. I believe it's not the GPU problem but my cheap HDMI adapter. Will see what the DP -> VGA I ordered will do. Has good reviews. Anyone had difference in color range with HDMI-VGA adaptors? That being said it feels more like a nuissance, since I've spent 2-3 hours already investigating this issue on the web and my eyes are fine all this time. it's just a bit annoying as if the contrast is too much/if you lower it it's too dark. Cannot be GPU issue since all my colors were exactly the same with onboard Intel UHD even. No difference at all. Should be the adaptor, hopefully I can find a proper one since they seem to be allover the place.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4r2c6t/why_would_nvidia_put_the_output_color_depth_on/
Check the top comment. Seems like my monitor is one of those that only supports LImited properly. It does become "ungodly radiant" indeed like he states, on full.
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I’ve been dealing with eye strain in my right eye for over a year since upgrading to a gigabyte RTX 3070. Had no idea what was different or how to fix it. A lot of suggestion on this thread. Very glad I found it.
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Still waiting for the displayport adapter, but I found a workaround. Plugging the monitor into the MB VGA, activates both cards for me (some say it's rare for a mainboard to do, but I wouldn't know), so the intel does the output, gtx does the rendering. No converters needed. There could be some input lag in gaming, but I haven't noticed anything. Also with this setup I was able to move back to full range and the colors weren't ungodly saturated like before.
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I have been using a software called "Calibration Tool 1.0c where you can set the Dithering to 6bit and 2x2 Static and be able to reduce the brightness gain digitally lower than the brightness of the monitor itself.
And also using in G SYNC mode, if i disable g sync , my eyes hurts also.
So my salvation is putting on 6bits with lower the bright and running on g sync.
Any one know why ?
The monitor i am using is lg 24gl600f. Until now, the program was the main salvation for me. Now recently my motherboard stopped working and I changed it to another one. After reinstalling the new motherboard without formatting the NVM used by the OS. I have been suffering from eyestrain again. And all the settings are the same as before when I was good with it.
It is curious how it can be if the configuration that was the same before did not cause me problems and now with another motherboard it does.
I understand that when we have eye discomfort, in my case it makes my neck hurt and generates muscle tension in the part where it feeds back with the muscle fatigue that affects the eyes.
So it's a loop that never ends. The monitor causes stress because you have discomfort and indirectly affects the muscles that control eyesight. It like you are having dry eye , but it is not.
So my question is , the Intel UH630 has Dithering? Or any lower porfile nvidia/amd cards has dithering?
The other way to avoid dithering and can play games, would be buying a lower porfile for screening on monitor and using the end ultra gama for rendering. So anyone has any clue which card would be work? And it can run G-SYNC or 144hz atleast?
i have a MSI 3070 Gaming X Trio.
Sorry for my bad english. lol
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tonyhawk99 Calibration Tool 1.0c
Welcome to the forum! Can you link to this tool please?
There is another tool to disable dithering called ditherig
, the source code is also available here and you can find the binary on the the author's website.
tonyhawk99 I understand that when we have eye discomfort, in my case it makes my neck hurt and generates muscle tension in the part where it feeds back with the muscle fatigue that affects the eyes.