markdotpeters5 YES that would be great, some actual readings! I have trouble with the 12mini/XS max at everything but 100% brightness, had a 13 mini that had trouble even at 100% brightness (still PWM dims at the level)
iPhone 14 & 14 Pro PWM Megathread
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iphone 14 pro uses an LTPO screen and I have no problems with my apple watch LTPO screen. Could there be some luck this time..
[deleted] That alone won't be enough. I've had loads of problems with LTPO screens.
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Bad news guys.
First impressions are not good, I have "brain fog" / disorientation.
Consider that I use without problems: iphone X (ios 14), pixel 4a and samsung A52.
I will try to adapt in the next week, otherwise I will return it and come back with my iphone X which still works very well.
EDIT: I am trying the iphone 14 PRO!
drima55 I can only speak for myself, but I seem to have more of an issue with the variance in the PWM rate rather than the actual rate itself..
So if the rate is lower it could still be better for me as long as it's stable. The 13 and 14 range are all over the place.
Lauda89 Same Sticking with the Mi11 for now.
markdotpeters5 Do you have no eye strain with Mi 11 Ultra?
They are two totally different panels though! The iphone X has a fixed PWM at 240hz and a less bright screen with a fixed frequency at 60 hz. This one has 2000nits of maximum brightness, a refresh rate ranging from 1 to 120 hz, and a PWM that looks dynamic.
Then consider that there is also different software, ios 14 vs. 16!
markdotpeters5 I will return with the iPhone X for another year, then I will try again with the iPhone 15 next year
Had an iphone 12, had to return it because it was impossible to use. big headaches and eye strain no matter how much i tweaked the settings.
heard the 13pro improved this a bit and maybe the 14 could work?
im using an 11 now with no issues.
blokes444 Great to see that Apple is somewhat moving the PWM frequency up compared to other manifacturers which are stuck at 480-240 (still way too low, easily spottable)
With how it's progressing, maybe the iPhone 17 might have an OLED that has decent PWM handling
(hopefully other manifacturers won't follow this trend… lol)
markdotpeters5 Thank you so much for this, saved me a whole order return hassle!
drima55 Well I assumed the same. But all the phones since the X have given me migraines, vertigo, brain fog etc.. ive tried X, Xs, 11, 12 pro, 12 pro max.. and returned them all (several times, from several attempts) but the 13 pro max was fine, it didnt give me a headache once in a space of a month using it every day as main device. (I did return due to brain fog) and that has a low refresh similar to the XS max which was awful for me.
So last week I tried the 13 pro and within a few minutes, I felt a dizzy, went home and had a headache. so frustrating. Ive felt rubbish since. The pro max's effect me less but the small ones with a higher refresh give me the worst headaches. So I think it just varies for everyone. Currently using an iPhone 8 plus lol.. I was hoping the 14 pro max with the LTPO screen would be better but n thinking other wise.
Have you people tried the "Reduce white point" option? (Simply search in settings for white point)
I got a 13 pro max instead of the 14, so maybe this option is working differently, but for me it helped greatly.
By default it sets to 80%, I was raising it to 90% and cranked brightness itself simply higher and now I'm all good.
This is maybe not related to PWM, but who knows, maybe it helps for that as well. I just hope this can help someone out there too!