One explanation why one-eye patching might work

mike When I visit LEDStrain It’s like all threads are about hardware, and no one about training and adjusting. Why? If we have find a way (one-eye-training) that could help and cure people, why aren’t we focusing more on that?

I see this issue as two sided. The first side being that certain issues are actively creating an unstable image and in theory these triggers can be potentially quantified and investigated as research. The other side is that known health issues may cause those to be more sensitive to certain visual stimuli (Could be considered an oversimplification)

To give an analogy, You wouldn't stare into a strobe light for hours a day even if you were able to ensure your eyes could "handle it". In addition I myself have preexisting eye damage that impacts each eye differently. Not dismissing eye training outright but I see an ideal solution to "this issue" is investigation and research into "both sides" of this issue.

Abeabe If I go to a eye doctor they would certainly say that I don’t have BVD, and one-eye-training have worked on me. The problems here is that “people believes”, write that on this forum, and other people thinks it’s how it is.

Why all excuses not to try?

diop You're assuming that Vision Therapy will resolve these issues in most/all cases with dedication and persistence.

No, I don’t assume that. But I believe it can help some more people on this forum.

diop If an individual has only a minor BVD and both eyes are in reasonably good health, I would agree, however this isn't the case for everybody.

If I would go to a eye doctor they would certainly say that I don’t have BVD, and one-eye-training have worked on me. Can you explain more how you think?

diop I have had alternating strabismus since an infant and it will not go away. I may be one of the few unlucky ones here, but there are some people who simply will never attain binocular vision for very obvious physical/neurological reasons.

So you are 100% sure one-eye-training doesn’t work for you? Sorry to hear about your problems. I did LASIK for 20 years ago, I think my problems comes from that operation.

diop We also cannot ignore the fact that the video output produced by modern tech is partly to blame. As @JTL mentioned, I wouldn't want to stare into a strobe light even if I knew I would be symptom free. Flicker of any kind IMO should be seen as an antagonist and minimised as much as possible.

All people around the world stare a screens. It is how it works nowadays. It works for 99,99% of people.

jen

I have many of the same symptoms as you do when exposed to fluorescent light or most backlit led screens. Extreme loss of working memory (can look at a name on a plaque and not remember it seconds later), confusion, disorientation and dizziness, headaches and head pressure, nausea, malaise. Symptoms start after about 5 minutes of exposure to fluorescent lights in places like grocery stores, it’s slower when being exposed to bad computer or tv screens.

I was totally normal with zero symptoms until I took a psychedelic drug called salvia when I was 23 years old and had a horrific reaction. I haven’t been the same since, no clue what the hell that stuff did to my brain.

That was way back in 2008 and it feels like the medical community has made zero progress with this condition since then. It’s dismaying to say the least.

Fortunately I’m able to work from home these days and I’ve found a few devices that I can use heavily without awful symptoms including a television and a phone, so I lead a mostly normal life. I avoid going to places with bad lights and order most of the stuff I need online.

I’ve often wondered if is some sort of epileptic seizure we’re having. Have you tried any medicines or supplements? Any eye training routines besides patching?

Also, do you happen to suffer from depersonalization or derealization? What about tunnel vision? When you watch television do you “go into the show” or is it just a 2d image on a device far away from you?

Any responses appreciated, hoping we make some progress on curing ourselves in the 2020s…

I don't think having a weaker eye is bad. I actually think it's part of the normal functional body. Just like you have a weaker hand and a weaker foot.

If you don't see screens, you don't need to "train" your weaker eye. I feel like those recent screens are forcing us to have our eyes more symmetrical and both functioning equally which is not necessarily what it meant to be.

There are many assymetries in our bodies beginning with our brains. Actually, I think forcing the weaker eye to "work" more could even be detrimental.

Web Hopefully research will start on LED sensitivity soon. I'd also be very interested to know how this might be related to epilepsy. I just had a normal EEG and I think others here have too. I refused the flashing light portion of the testing, though, because it was going to be 3 minutes of flashing, that I knew could potentially trigger bad symptoms that might jeopardize my job. I didn’t think it was worth the risk since they weren’t testing LED-like flicker. They said the fastest was only going up to 24 Hz, I think, and the machine couldn’t do faster. They would only monitor for seizure and not visually evoked potentials that were studied for fluorescent flicker sensitivity in the 70s.

Web the delay in your getting noticeable symptoms after first looking at the patterns in the book is interesting. I also have a delay during which pressure seems to start to build in my head before my debilitating and sometimes weird neurological symptoms start. I hope you’ve recovered!

Liberator005 I don't think having a weaker eye is bad. I actually think it's part of the normal functional body. Just like you have a weaker hand and a weaker foot.

If you don't see screens, you don't need to "train" your weaker eye. I feel like those recent screens are forcing us to have our eyes more symmetrical and both functioning equally which is not necessarily what it meant to be.

Who says anything about training your weaker eye? This is about relearn/reprogramming brain and eye muscles, so we can use screens without getting tension headache and red burning eyes. Why not try it if it works for many people?

mike training the eyes separately might create new pathways across the hemispheres? like in these opposite arm/leg exercises https://precisionchirofl.com/blog/cross-crawl-exercises-neurological-disorganization-this-is-a-good-thing/

reaganry I don’t know what to say about the article. It feels far fetched.

What we know is that eye-one-training has worked for me. From no screens newer than 2011 to all screens. I have no side-effects or problems, what I know about.

And it works for more people.

what's your theory on why it works?

reaganry I think we all (like all people) have to a adapt/learn, and almost all people do this so quickly behind dithering LED-screens so they don’t notice.

Somehow we LEDStrain-people don’t adapt (or it takes long time and/or training/glasses).

Their is quite a few people on LEDStrain that have adapt to the new screens, some has left the forum. So we can’t see this problem as a “fixed condition”. It’s something some (and I hope all) can adopt to.

I have my guessing why it works, the easy explanation is relearning/reprogramming. How this works in detail I don't know, and I think we need a “top-of-the-line brain specialist” to explain how it's possible.

//Mike from Sweden

mike I wasn't discouraging anyone from trying, heck I might give it a good attempt at some point. But I don't think we should lose focus towards either aspect and I certainly have more ideas on empirically detecting, measuring and potentially mitigating bad stimulus from devices, and that's also important research.

JTL @diop you are two of the smartest guys on this forum, please read, and think about this:

I think we all work against the same goal. But in different ways (which is good I think).

I remember back in 2014 @ the Apple forum when it was some users (me included) that had big problems with a IOS 7.1 update. I was happy not to be alone, that other people had the same problem. Everyone was trying to fix it. Nobody really did. Now is 2022, soon 2023 and we are still trying to find and fix something with hardware and software. Dithering, PWM, anti-aliasing … We may all have the same underlying problem, but I don’t know if we could find five people on this forum that can use exactly the same setup. You get the picture.

It would be nice if we just could contact the manufactures like Apple and they just fix it. Even if they could fix this today it would take 10-20-30-40 years before all screens are changed in every place. I didn’t have the time to wait, and i don’t think so many else have that time either.

Thanks to @martin by coincidence I discovered one-eye-covering/patching. I had so big problems with screens so if my old computer or phone had died I couldn’t find a replacement that I could use for my work and spare time. The result had been that I couldn’t work, so for me it was do or die.

Down the line, more people like me will come to an endpoint. Where there is no more setups that will work. Then you are at do or die, and people will need solutions like one-eye-training.

So, once again. Why can’t we get more people to start patching right now. Then we can collect the data with result from patching, adjust the technic and so on. Maybe we can find a way so the patching will give better results? Why have it worked so good for me that was “first in line”, was it something special i did, was it the sinus-medicine, was it that I had so much problems that made it more easy, or something else?

And one more thing. I don’t need LEDStrain anymore, I am only here to help others!

//Mike from Sweden