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Paper uses florescent additives that reflect blue light into your eyes.
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miripump Oh interesting I never heard about that absorbing tint.
Regarding white walls and asphalt, I know when sun is shining on buildings with white walls it definitely bugs my eyes as it seems extremely bright. Most asphalt seems to be okay since its darker. I do have a neighbor who had their driveway redone with much lighter gray concrete and that definitely glows in the sun which is not pleasant to look at. I am hoping these sensitivities go away after I switch to my eink phone I preordered. It seems like the oled phone that I use for business, makes my eyes really sensitive to these things. I just am shocked with how they have those additives in paper. I wish older style paper was more popular, one that has no additives.
DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs Thats exactly what I was wondering if maybe the devices I have been using is whats training my brain to use my eyes incorrectly. It definitely takes a long long time to unlearn. I have went on screen breaks a few times a couple years ago that lasted many months and its crazy how much better my vision gets being away from all screens for that long. Do you still use your irlens glasses btw?
jordan Yes, still use the glasses, still have the same huge improvement in depth perception and movement coordination, I can immediately feel the depth perception increase and decrease every time I put them on/off. Note that mine are the entirely custom two-layer versions where I went through the proper procedure trying out literally every possible combination in a dark room, which I was actually able to do before buying the lenses. I actually came in to that original appointment not believing they would make any difference for me, but it was only after that test where I was convinced since I experienced depth perception in a way I never have before. Same benefits a year and a half later -- still using the same glasses.
This applies to both the added distance prescription version and filter-only version, I own two pairs of glasses with each.
(if a specialist is claiming to sell the lenses directly without the custom process, and doesn't offer an evaluation like I was able to do before buying, that's very likely a scam. I only bought them because I could tell they actually made a real, noticeable difference before buying.)
Although the benefits I get from them is primarily about in-real-life vision such as attending lectures in rooms with harsh lighting, don't feel drained anymore after going to stores, finding my way through large crowds. Many places I had issues with the lights before are now not a big deal. Reading on paper is also improved, although I don't struggle with paper with my normal vision anyway after retraining my eyes with better LCDs.
I don't use them with screens as they aren't designed to improve screens anyway, all they do in that case is add more glare.
jordan was wondering if maybe the devices I have been using is whats training my brain to use my eyes incorrectly.
Thats kind of crazy if you think about it, its like these devices are molding you to them...
beyondthelight Yeah that's what happened back when I had 14" MacBook Pro, 6 months into using it, objects in the real world started to feel "distorted" in the same way viewing images on the MacBook screen did as my eyes at that point no longer were familiar with how to focus normally.
For instance, at that point in life, my eyes started to slowly close if I wasn't actively doing something, I wouldn't know what to look at when I was idle -- because every time I used the Mac my discomfort was at the highest when displaying still content and not moving the cursor. I used that computer so often then (not realizing the screen was the problem yet) and my vision started to feel like that everywhere.
Took ~5 months of not using that Mac for that to stop happening and my vision to finally go back to normal.
The flip side is that good LCD screens can also retrain your vision in a positive way, as I mentioned in my prior post about the old game consoles.
I wonder if there could be a non-optical way of visualizing a computer screen, I mean if bats can visualize the location of a small insect in pitch darkness by ultrasound, perhaps we can be trained to do the same too, after all, we are mammals too…imagine putting on some headphones and being able to visualize the a screen by ultrasound. But anyway, interesting anecdote and experience.
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What are your good colors just curious ? I had blue with double purple but seems my first blue only ones work best nowadays. Do you wear them all the time? I also found they help with depth and with being in stores and such with bad lighting.
My diagnostician told me she has some people who found relief on their MacBook with them but sadly they don't fix the screens for me. I know with my iPhone SE which was the absolute worst device I used, it took away dry eye and head pressure but after awhile it would compound.
beyondthelight right! That's how it feels like it's terrible.
Last time I went screenless it was definitely over 5 months which was awhile ago but that was the best I ever felt. It sucks it takes so long to undo things
moonpie had zero issues before 2020
Perhaps its just like a sort of allergy your biology just tells you to stop looking at, even if you don's understand why, those kinds of things develop overtime, until there comes a point of enough is enough. Some people have a higher threshold than others.
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FYI, as someone who is not an alt (as you can tell by my substantial history contributing to the forum and my distinct posting style), i will say that i agree with what Light's post is saying here. i think other regulars on the forum will likely agree too
i do concede that i also feel your frustration with many members on this forum focusing on the wrong or off-topic issues, frequent lack of evidence and way too many anecdotes, and a general lack of progress on doing anything technical about the issue
(i agree with you that i'm also tired of the fact that people here seem to not want to do seemingly obvious, methodical tests such as capturing a good and bad device with a lossless capture card and directly comparing the pixels — especially with how long this forum has been around)
however, i also feel like a lot of your contributions here have not really done anything to improve this, and frequently have the effect of derailing threads.
although some of the information you've posted here has been helpful contributions, such as that sine wave PWM is much more comfortable than other types (which I agree with)…
most of your replies, I feel at this point, simply are not productive for this forum and do come across as very nit-picky or unnecessarily targeting specific topics or forum members
i get that there are a lot of threads here that are frustratingly off-topic, i feel just as annoyed when i log onto this forum and see something like "changing my wifi router caused eye strain" with really vague reasoning, not even providing e.g. an up-close video of the screen
however, i still feel like the most productive move here would not be to outright dismiss the thread entirely as it not only discourages new members but makes the forum feel a lot more stressful to post on for many of us in general.
if you look at how i've been replying to these types of threads, i feel like i'm more on the right track —
for example, instead of completely shutting down this off-topic thread on "i get strain reading on paper", i try to help them better connect what they feel to what actually is the more likely source of their issue, and point out details they may not know yet —
"At points in my life I've felt a similar way, but I realized it was due to how bad screens have affected my habits in how I focus and move my eyes, even after using the screen.
Turns out: I don't think there is any problem with paper itself. But, my ability to read on paper did actually significantly improve after I found better LCDs and started using them for extended amounts of time.
I feel by taking advantage of my experience with LCDs screens having residual effects on my vision, using that in a "positive way" like this, it helped me a lot in getting re-acquainted with focusing my eyes "correctly".
I would suggest that instead of avoiding trying LCDs entirely for fear of them causing flare-ups — start with some really simple, primitive ones that are much more likely to be comfortable, like old game consoles… which I don't think you (Jordan) have tried before.
If you find something comfy like this, see if it ends up influencing your habits of focusing on other things like paper too. That's what I did a few years ago, and it actually worked pretty well for me."
this is essentially what I did here, and i feel like it much more effectively directs the thread away from the off-topic or "too broad" idea — towards a direction which is a lot more productive for this forum (trying a type of screen someone hasn't tried before) — without de-railing the thread in its entirety.
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i would really appreciate it if you take a step back for a moment and carefully consider my feedback here — it would really mean a lot to both me and the future of this forum in general. thank you
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DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs i notice the same with my fl-41/avulux lenses. great for driving, but not for screens.
can you replicate your success with the Pi in desktop linux? why/why not do you think?
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I find his comments witty and intriguing, certainly not useful and offensive, but entertaining up to a certain threshold, I sometimes wonder if he is AI, who knows, anything you read on a screen these can be AI generated, its crazy. Or maybe he is just a troll, and its OK to be a troll, but be a generous troll, just change direction of intent.
DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs i also feel like a lot of your contributions …frequently have the effect of derailing threads.
Very ascertained, makes one wonder about the real intention and objectives