I wanted to share my progress with the eye therapy here so far. Recently I have been asked by my optometrist to participate at their conference as a model for the problems theyre trying to diagnose and solve. Few other optometrists that were being taught how to measure these issues properly tried to diagnose me, it was all recorded and later used as education material.
I must say I have a new level of admiration for the guy who diagnosed me originally, as he does his work way above what other specialists there were capable of. Some joked after that "in a regular office this would take 5 minutes, youre testing him for one hour", implying how "well" other optometrists do their jobs.

Ive told him my concerns that the therapy might not work, or that the glasses dont work all the time and I still get headaches with them sometimes.
He said the glasses fix about 1/4 of the whole problem, and that after 2 months of the therapy it is way too soon to see results - I have improved a lot, but he said the most important thing is to integrate what I have been training into daily use. Then the last part of the therapy will actually be training to be able to use my eyes in the opposite extreme of what they are doing now (excessive convergence, resulting accomodation issues, getting stuck in a loop - adjusting one calls for adjustment of other, conditions on the screen change, its called again until the pain we all know so well - this makes a lot of sense to me in regards to flicker, but lets not get too ahead).
He also mentioned that it is very common to feel like you can tolerate problematic displays right after the training for an hour or so, and for that to fade, as lasting change needs a very long and slowly progressing approach. Also good days and bad days are very common (sometimes the pain doesnt set in so soon, other days its instant).
He also mentioned he doesnt know if it will cure it 100%, as there is still a lot of unknowns in this field. He siad they tried to publish some articles but a lot of the medical community doesnt care or think its bullshit, and consider the people to be a psychological case.
So a lot of what you described here in regards to this condition actually makes sense "by the book". Lets see in 4 months then how much this training will really help.

But if you get better right after eye exercises, theres a big chance this is part of your problem and you just need to find the right person to actually help.

Just a story to put all this into another perspective - there was a lady in one of the optrometrists office with such bad migraines, that some doctors drilled a hole in her head in attempt to stop them. It helped, but since then she sees double. He crafted glasses to fix that and shes eternally grateful now, as the diplopia is way less of a problem than the migraines according to her, even though shes dependent on the glasses now.

Very happy to read about more people recently finding a solution.
I had some poor convergence 15 years ago. I corrected it by doing exercises. I have not "trained" for a while, and I know that doing that and the Tibetan wheel helps provide some relief. However, I am very reluctant to believe that convergence is my issue. And I hate "believing". I would like some of the doctors I have paid hundreds of dollars to tell me what is what, instead of walking in the dark.
My convergence cannot improve or worsen from one day to the next following a bloody phone update. I was at an osteopath this evening. I had not used the phone for a day and was feeling well already before going in, even after 10 hours on my Mac which I could not believe until months ago I would be able to tolerate.
Then after the treatment I turned my phone on and vaguely looked at Google Maps. All my health gone within seconds. And I am not imagining things.
I am really clueless, as I could use this phone in the past without any problem. It is worse than the worst allergic reaction I can think of. It is one of those days I would really like to throw the phone out of the car window...it has become a nightmare.

That said, crying is useless. I need to react. Since I do not currently have any other plan, I will go back to exercise my eyes' convergence...and try to implement any good habit I can think of, like sleeping more or eating well. But, boy, I see it really dark...

    AGI The light or flicker might be doing something to disturb visual systems ability to do proper eye teaming, so its not that your vergence all of a sudden goes bad. Its always bad, you compensate, in some conditions you cannot.
    Also dont just do the exercises, it has to be a guided program in varying intensity and progressions.

      a month later

      I wanted to share my progress here. I was doing the exercises half-wrong for 2 months, so I was strenghtening the already overpowered eye muscles (thats a reminder that doing something at home that you found on the internet might either make it worse, or might not help at all if it doesnt apply to your specific case).
      Now I am on the right track. After two weeks my camera display stopped causing me nausea and stinging pain, isntead it is fine and over time it develops into a pressure. I shouldnt see any progress below 2 months, but I think I am already seeing it a little bit now. Also when testing a painful iphone, I was able to relax while looking into it, as I know now which muscles get tight and cramped and I know how to relax them. I cannot do it for too long yet, however the change is quite noticeable. I my case a complete removal of symptoms via visual therapy is at 84% of cases, so I will see how it develops.

      Also when I am tired, I cannot successfully complete the exercises that I did with ease the previous day, maybe explaning why some people have better or worse days with certain displays. I also guess that people who had intial pain from new displays but got "used to it", might have had similar problem but with way less deviancy (mine being extreme at approximately 15 out of 12 measuring points), so therefore the staring into the displays served in itself as a form of therapy and the eyes adjusted.

        martin I've been to another eye doctor recently and have a follow-up appointment next week. She said my eyes move slightly inwards which can be corrected with prismatic* lenses. Reading your description it almost sounds like you have an opposite condition, where the eyes want to move outwards? When I put on the testing glasses and looked through them I quickly got the same kind of eye strain that I have while using certain software (Firefox, some games, etc...). Covering one eye seemed to remove the effect.

        * not sure if this was the right term, I should ask next week

            KM Good! Hope you get some quality care. No mine is the same. It is bit more complicated though, as not only vergence (how eyes move out or in) but accomodation (distance/near focus in each eye) play a role. Literature is badly needed and very little is written. Check here:
            https://i2.wp.com/informationdisplay.org/portals/informationdisplay/issues/2012/03/art9/GIFS/fig2.jpg

            Basically I converge my eyes at a different plane than I accomodate at, having trouble with both. Using one eye removes or significantly reduces the issue, problem is the two are bound together so problems with one can influence the other, hence even one eye usage may not be problem free until you fix it for binocular vision. But to be clear, I could use my camera display with one eye very well, two eyes were problem. Some other things are a bit difficult even with one eye.
            Your eyes can either meet behind the screen (divergence excess or convergence insufficiency) or in front of it (convergence excess or divergence insufficiency). When you try to meet accomodation with vergence, your eyes get stuck in an adjustment loop and never relax, or they just literally strain to get both in line.

            Also - yes the prismatic glasses hurt intensely the first day I used them after some time, then my eyes got used to them. They also bent the image I was seeing, now it all looks normal. They dont help with everything though, which is a mystery to me, but one that I will be more clear on when I finish the visual therapy. They also only help by 1/3 of the complete deviacy I have, as full correction would be unusable. Mine is very off the charts so visual therapy is the only way. I should actually have visible strabismus (lazy eye), and none of the specialists know how its possible that I look normal. Supposedly overpowered it by my will lol.

                ryans Since the glasses, I didnt get a migraine, just slighter headaches from either prolonged use (hours) of a previously unbearable iphone, or from macbooks after shorter time - there the problem might be the larger display. I will see when my therapy is successfully finished and I can complete all the exercises with ease. Then the problem should disappear, and if it doesnt, theres more to it. Im not progressing very fast though, its gonna take months. Im training accomodation and vergence separately and then I have to train them at the same time. But I see changes already and I cant even successfully finish difficulty of level 2 out of 5 or more. So theres hope.

                    martin I didn't have any eye strain issues for an entire month, then on Monday, I came back here to catch up on a month's worth of posts, and now I have eye strain again. You can't make this stuff up people! 🙂

                    Remember, I have two distinct eye comfort issues. The first one like martin's (convergence insufficiency and accommodative insufficiency), which takes longer to set in over time. We'll call that one issue #1. The second one is near instant and immediate sharp pain in the eyeballs if I look at an LED backlit computer monitor. We'll call that Issue #2.

                    With Issue #1, I notice more issues if I'm reading a lot of small text. Sometimes I will spend some time sorting a lot of Outlook e-mail, which involves reading it in the preview pane, filing it, etc. I will often have Issue #1 creep up doing this. However, if I'm looking at pretty charts and graphs and graphics, I find I'm usually OK, even with a full 40 hour work week. I also try to remember the 20/20/20 rule to give my eyeballs a rest by looking in the distance from time to time, or taking a break.

                    With Issue #2, forget about it. I avoid LED displays like kryptonite. Long live the Dell U2410 CCFL monitor I use both at work and home!

                        MagnuM I can relate to that. If I read small print the same thing happens. All LED screens kill me. That CCFL you use is it flicker free?

                            This gives some interesting results if you search on Google:

                            vision therapy site:discussions.apple.com
                            convergence site:discussions.apple.com

                            Looks like vision therapy is not a silver bullet.

                              ryans Im not sure how any of this disproves that it cannot work? Also convergence is one out of many issues with vergence. Just because you find one person online who said it helped partially doesnt mean it does not work. Actually quite the opposite - it points to the fact that its multifactorial and that the therapy indeed changed something. Its better to try for yourself. If that is your issue of course, and not something else. There might be no "silver bullet", everyones different.
                              Some people erased their symptoms completely by using eye drops and others by changing their medication for other issues. Unless you live in a country where examined for such cases costs like a new mortgage (USA), you cant loose giving it a shot.

                                  ryans Looks pretty thorough. In health thread someone also posted about another clinic where one person went to get care. Hope its not too expensive, lemme know how it went.

                                    ryans It's a shame I don't live closer to NYC.

                                      jasonpicard Not a chance. It flickers like a son-of-a-gun (especially at the 0% brightness I keep it at!) The thing is though, since it's a CCFL backlit, the "off" part of the duty-cycle still has a bit of "glow" from the fluorescent lamp inside, so it probably looks "better" to the ol' brain.

                                        Flicker free is not the solution. I've bought several displays, some with PWM and some without any PWM. I still get headaches. I will make a post about that.

                                        Eye convergence excess or insufficiency seem to be my problem. I can feel some pain in my head and around the eyes, as if MUSCLES are involved.

                                          Alexandre What device do you currently use comfortably? You should get a functional vision analysis to rule out those eye issues or get vision therapy if needed.

                                            Alexandre Eye convergence excess or insufficiency seem to be my problem. I can feel some pain in my head and around the eyes, as if MUSCLES are involved.

                                            Muscles around the eyes, and in the face and head ARE involved with anything you focus on but that doesn't mean you have an eye defect. My symptoms are tightness around back of head and then in face/eyes leading to headache. The same muscles you feel if you squint and lean forward to look at something small etc.
                                            My theory is the constant dithering flickering is causing the muscles to get exhuasted having to constantly refocus and try to lock on to the continual movement in the same way low freq PWM really bothers some people but dithering is worse because its more random and in the images themselves.

                                            A lot of people here are confusing eyestrain with CVS and overuse etc. Dry eyes, red eyes, things like this with no muscular issues are not eyestrain in my opinion but rather CVS or overuse etc and you can get them reading paper too long but most people don't spend 12 hours a day reading books. If you don't blink enough or have dry eyes for other reasons then staring at a bright light is going to bother you as well. Some of us probably have both types of issues. Some of us might have photosensitive neurological issues. But I think the people following the "convergence" path are going to be disappointed long term. You can find out instantly if this is your issue by getting an eye exam and prism glasses to correct that. If that's your true problem your "strain" or whatever will be instantly gone. Then you could work on therapy (which takes a year or more often) to work on physically correcting it and not needing the glasses.

                                                hpst I agree that PWN is a read herring (at least in my case). In the "eye doctors" thread I wrote about how a Dell U2713H I looked into at work today has given me a horrible headache for over 3 hours (and counting), and I looked at it for less than 5 minutes.

                                                This colleague's monitor has given me horrible grief since 2014, and I have to avoid it like kryptonite. I'm not sure how many more reminders I need that it isn't going to work out. It's more of me trying to look "normal" in front of everybody, as I'm sure nobody believes my issue is even real (since they look at it 8 hours a day, every day, with no issue).

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