Eyestrain solved after 6 years and multiple panels - LG 32gk850g

hpst Would you be willing to work on this?

Well, I think it would be interesting to find out. Not sure if I have too much time though and I do not want to feel the pressure of someone whose life depends on this in my back. Hope you understand me correctly here. I am glad to help but I would assume that there are other possibilities as well.

E.g. currently I work with Windows 7. If I would have to do development work I would rather work with a Linux machine (easier to use Git, Ruby, Node, ...). So my idea is to use my Windows machine to connect through SSH to a Linux machine (or my Mac) and do development stuff there.

Hmm, ok guess your problem would also be the code editor. Well, I use VIM in the terminal. So this would not be an issue for me. However you could also use SMB or something to expose the Linux files over the network and you could use Sublime Text or whatever you prefer on Windows then. Or you can run a Linux virtual machine with VMware or Virtual Box.

deepflame I guess I should have said I stongly WANT linux rather than NEED it. I simply need a browser and text editor to work. For me at least no modern OS and hardware is strain free so if dithering is our problem and it can be shut off then I'd just as soon do that in linux and keep using it since it removes other issues I don't want to deal with like walled gardens, expensive hardware, spyware OS nonsense etc.

I had only asked because you mentioned being a SWE and brought linux up so I assumed it was your preference. About the pressure...right now we don't have any organized effort toward this so anything done is a positive if nothing else to rule out a theory. I mentioned funding because it could motivate someone to work in a more dedicted manner where they aren't squeezing it in between al the other demands on their time.

has anyone here actually accomplished true 8-bit with FRC turned off?

reaganry pro tip. if you turn the color all the way down.. no FRC/ color temporal dithering.

I'd be fine with that personally as nothing I do requires "vibrant" colors etc...I'd be fine with black and white for 90% of things honestly...but how? I just want to shut off dithering to see if its the problem and to continue to be able avoid it if it is. I don't care HOW we do it.

Seagull It sounds at once logical from a detached point of view...but also so hard to believe because it's hard to accept that things in the ms range could really take something from unnoticable to eye straining. It feels like when people argue over fps etc and is reaching. But like everything else we deal with unless we could objectively test it we can't know. It feels like display tech is out to kill us sometimes. Adding more and more noxious stuff for the sake of pretty.

Seagull I was thinking more about this and looked up the specs on my current "bad" panel in a Thinkpad..its an LG LP140WF3SPD1 and PWM free, and has a 25ms response time according to panelook.com but this laptop is still straining. I have put all sorts of panels in it from TN to IPS and everywhere from 5ms or so to 28-30ms with no success. So that feels like it can't be related to response time. Although as you know there are so many other factors who knows what combo is the trigger.

andc Anyway it's hard for me to believe that every panel with over 8ms response time is 8 bit since almost no notebook panel is faster than this as I browse Notebookcheck reviews.

I have spent a lot of time looking at panel specs on panelook.com and nearly all laptop panels I have seen are not true 8 bit panels but rather listed as 6+2 meaning 6 bits plus using dithering to get 2 more bits for a total of 8. For example here is the HD panel in a 2018 X1 Carbon http://www.panelook.com/B140HAN03.1_AUO_14.0_LCM_parameter_32138.html It just says "6+FRC" but many say explicitly "6+2 FRC"

Even the fancy HDR panel on the X1 Carbon 6th gen seems to not really be 12 bit HDR as it is advertised but rather 8+4. IF dithering is an issue then this is super relevant because most laptops are only 6 bit natively but being told to show 8-bits. But since laptop panels are "dumb" and require the gpu to tell them to dither I hope that means we can somehow force the output to the native color depth so the dithering doesn't happen.

But as usual it's confusing because IF dithering was the root cause it would seem logical to think an older 262k 6bit TN panel would be strain free and in my experience it is not...but to be fair I was unable to find one without PWM to avoid that variable. I don't know if that means those panels are still capable of dithering above 6 bits or if something else is going on.

andc Unfortunately that site doesnt list PWM use as its info comes from manufacturers and they don't want to share that with anyone it seems. "Flickering" is a broad term and PWM backlight flickering is entirely different than dithering/FRC, but who knows if the results with regard to strain is the same or not. My personal experience has been that PWM is irrelevant since using known PWM free panels causes the same amount of strain as ones with visible PWM. It surely can't be GOOD for us but I've never seen someone solve their strain by simply removing PWM.