Windows 10 build 1809 problem
KM What about Win7? Doesn't it works for you?
AgentX20 Well, we do know some facts, as the composite layer appeared on a certain Win10 build or windows CLearType. I think it worth it, but as anyone here seems to want to do that, I will just post a link here to a microsoft forum where someone inside Microsoft explained how to do what I wanted to do (with the help of a Win10 user), where also he points to be mentioned on the feedback message to microsoft to be more helpfull. If anyone thinks it is worth to try to get better in our setups he can find the info there. From my part it doesn't matters, because I can't even use XP, but I wanted to do it for the benefit of the group. Now it's up to al of you. The link: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/visual-display-problems-after-installilng-windows/17ccdc75-93b7-46ba-9797-966c8189998d
@diop I use NoMachine, it is very good and easy to use. Android eReader as a screen to whatever you want
Guys, keep your heads up, or you will end stop trying to improve this situation
I am on a Macbook Pro 16" 2019 and I have found that when I look at someone's screen over Teamviewer, I can look at it all day without having eyes burning. Same seems to be with Windows running inside a Parallels Desktop virtual machine. The guys I'm working with are running Windows and confirm that they, too, find it easier to focus when reading code on someone else's screen over Teamviewer than on their own screen.
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henno I am on a Macbook Pro 16" 2019 and I have found that when I look at someone's screen over Teamviewer, I can look at it all day without having eyes burning. Same seems to be with Windows running inside a Parallels Desktop virtual machine. The guys I'm working with are running Windows and confirm that they, too, find it easier to focus when reading code on someone else's screen over Teamviewer than on their own screen.
Hi there. Do you have problems using the Mac outside of TeamViewer? I've typically found that a bad system is bad regardless of the content being displayed or apps in use. It may be the fonts on the Windows side are slightly more legible or maybe the TV client is scaled slightly differently than the native resolution of the machine.
Yes, I have big problems using the Mac outside of Teamviewer. I still own a 15" Macbook Pro Mid 2014 and 15" Macbook Pro Late 2013. I don't have any issues with those. Only with my new 2019 16" Macbook Pro. The issue is that my eyes start to feel burning sensation pretty much immediately when I look at the screen. I have moved the matte screen protector from my 2014 computer to 2019 one (the previous owner had it installed to protect the Mac's aftermarket value) and it helped a little bit. I started to use Iris Pro and it helps also a little bit. But I still feel the desert in my eyes within seconds of looking my Mac. But when I put my Windows virtual machine to full screen or when I put Teamviewer to full screen and look at my colleagues' screens, my eyes immediately relax. I actually feel muscles around my eyes immediately loosen up when I switch to Parallels or Teamviewer.
All my Macs are running Catalina. Maybe it's the video card drivers: my old Macs have old video cards for which Apple maybe hasn't bothered to implement dithering while it has for newer hardware. When I look at Windows 10 login screen background image (you know, the one with looking at a beach from a cave) through Teamviewer, I see the that the color space is quite narrow, as the sky in the image has clearly defined areas of different shades of blue. That tells me that if there is any temporal dithering or other high frequency pixel flickering, Teamviewer filters that out.
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Okay, I have now done some more extensive testing. I installed another macOS virtual machine using Parallels Desktop onto my Mac. Then I installed Parallels Tools on it to get other resolutions besides 1024x768 and then I set the same resolution (the default retina one which macOS ships with) on both computers (virtual and real), then I opened the same web page in full screen on both of them and aligned the pages to be pixel perfectly at the same scrolling position. Then I swiped with three fingers from left to right and back again to switch between the computers. I tested that way very long time and I concluded that:
- My eyes do not see any pixels to be different on the computers. They look identical. Even when I try hard to look for a difference.
- Every time I had switched to my real computer I started feeling a tension in my body. Like electric current. Very faint but still noticeable. Something you can feel in your head when you put your hands together like you were praying (
) and applying a little bit pressure between your palms. - Every time I switched back to my virtual machine, the tension feeling stopped but there was nothing that I could find on the screen that would be different. However, I instantly felt relaxed on the virtual machine's screen.
- When I closed my eyes and repeated the experiement (swiped between the computers), I could not feel the tension on either machine. Only when I had my eyes open I could feel the tension on my host computer. It seems to me that it comes from the light of the blank (white) area of the screen. Dithering?
This came to my mind while I was doing the experiment: https://youtu.be/5KiLVOAK7U0
The problems with Windows newer builds aren't related with this?
henno Really interesting test and conclusion, which basically supports what we have all felt for so many years now. The big question is, what exactly is going on and how can we approach Apple to push for a way to disable it. it's only a software switch - they could bury it in the OS somewhere and only provide it for those who need it. Temporal dithering or other subpixel rendering seem the most likely culprits.
When Apple were trying to diagnose my migraines they literally replaced ever part of my laptop, including the screen twice to try and find a panel which would work for me. I was assigned a senior technician to help with direct support, so it is possible to escalated pretty high in Apple's tech support.
But getting through to the actual devs...that's another story. What we need is someone on the inside who sees what we see.
tfouto When did Apple try to diagone your migraines?
After I bought my first Macbook in early 2012 I spent a year working out what was making me so sick - believe it or not it took a long time to blame the laptop! But once I worked it out Apple were great and throughout 2013 they replaced the panel and eventually the whole computer to try to get to the root of the issue, without success sadly.