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hayder1983
Yea i have two SSD at home 1 980PRO e 1 860 EVO so i can try to keep the actual data (980PRO) or a new installation of W11(860EVO) without loosing my good software setup

I will let you know!

For your information:

Win11 is helping me alot, it feels a lot like my very old PC(RX 580, Win10 22H???) now. I am sure, there is some dithering i think, but seems like it wasnt the thing that killed my eyes all this time.

These are my specs, perhaps sharing helps some of you:

Win11 22H2, Mainboard in UEFI mode(before Win10 22H2, but not in UEFI mode)

Intel i5 12400F, MSI ProB660-A DDR4, 32GB Gskill RipJaws V DDR4-3200, Asus Dual AMD Radeon RX6600XT OC Edition

Eizo EV2495, Super Resolution(it is even better in win11), 3800x2400, RGB limited, 8bit Colors, no GPU scaling(GPU scaling is slightly altering the picture not sure it is better or worse)

Monitor Settings: Paper, Brightness 50-60(dependant on daylight situation), 5000K, Icc used "EV2495 User 5000K G2.2.icc"

Drivers: AMD-Software Pro Edition 22Q3-Win10-Win11, Full Installation

Using high contrast setting "desert" in win11, which actually is eye sooting

I did not test other monitors now, but i am so happy, that it somehow works togehter, that i will just leave it like that for some days. For some reason i can use this setup even without my glasses

Using this Setup(6600xt, win11 22H2) for 2 days now and my worklaptop(Intel integrated GPU, win10 22H2) on external screen. I think Intel Win10 is better on my eyes, but i can not pinpoint why. My Eyestrain has gotten better with the 6600xt, by a lot, but Intel GPU is softer, dont know why. Without super resolution i still have some problems with the 6600xt, but not with the Intel.

I think if someone would try some new Desktop PC my suggestion would be, try only Intel CPU with integrated GPU & external GPU on top, so you can switch between them, Intel GPU on Desktop and external GPU on games. My processor is like for 20€ more you could have bought it with an integrated GPU. I think there is dithering on both, but my eyes can handle it now, for some reason, it was sth else that didnt work for me.

caboy limited rgb for me reduces nausea rather than strain

Don't watch in a completely dark room.. that's too much contrast.

Just have some bias lighting behind the display on the far wall or whatever.. it's great for me because I have that by coincidence where I am sitting.. two sconces, but the lightswitch for them is on a dimmer behind me so I can just reach behind me and adjust the brightness to optimize it for the video on screen.

Basically what I do is I just adjust it until the image is as 3D looking as possible.

So, my advice is to have the correct settings on your monitor, but adjust the room's lighting, not the monitor.

Sunspark What do you mean be 3D looking? High contrast?

I only use ambient light at night, at day time i use daylight as much as possible. I always adjust the daylight situation, so that the screen is only a bit brighter than the rest of the room.

machala Dont feel bad about your setup, because there is no way of knowing what you can get used to and what not. Dont feel bad about money being wasted, some people will buy cigarettes for more than 1000€ a year but we are trying to do sth beneficial to our health.

Well it is more than one thing that strains my eye, but a bad device stays a bad device. I think my two Eizo monitors are a weapon. They are meant to be flickerfree, but they do some very fast flickering(up to 50.000 hz and more) on the background lighting settings i use(someone measured it on a recent device). Going to 100/100 brightness doesnt make it better, i tried it and always get immense back pain in the back of my eye using them(harder than any other device i ever used or tested). I also have a BenQ 32 inch that causes only mild eyestrain because no PWM at all, but causes me naseau, but it is better when i use it on a lower resolution centered in the screen(making it more or less a 24 inch screen that way).

My first problem is PWM. For example i am symptomfree with my 5 year old HUAWEI phone, i use it a lot. I can use it in total darkness without eye strain. I have to do this because i have to wait 10-30 Minutes until my son falls asleep. But there is a brightness setting, that the phone wont toggle down to on its own, you have to force the phone. As soon as i do this by force(put the slider all the way to the left) it is becoming straining. I am sure my eye is not liking it, because it is more flickery that way. I also have a LG TV and i can see the 120hz flicker with my bare eyes when going lower than 50/100 on SDR content. But this can all be solved, there are a lot of flickerfree DC-current monitors out there.

My second problem could be GPU/Mainboard/softwarerelated. I just looked at my step mums Iphone 13 and it crashes my eyes. My workphone is an Iphone X and it is not causing me symptoms. I think both are using White OLED, so this shouldnt be screen related. They Sony OLED i tested gave me super weird nausea, it is the same screen size as my old one. All picture optimizing was off, it was totally ok in the store. I still think OLED is the way to go, but perhaps i will try a LG 55B2 next, but only after i found a suitable monitor. It is impossible to test anything with a suboptimal monitor.

I also use up to three devices(PC, worklaptop, steam deck) with the same monitor(i now never use more than one monitor at a time, because it is too many variables). Symptoms are slighty better with the Intel, but until i have an optimal monitor i think i cannot pinpoint(flickerfree, responsive, 24 inch max, TN-Panel colors, sharpness setting to play with). I think it is about font rendering, but i am not sure.

My next test is the LG 24 GL600F. One of the users in the forum tried it and he never said a bad word about it again(he was active months after getting it). I also searched for people complaing about "eye strain", "strong reds", "flicker" with this monitor, but only complain seems to be with freesync, which you can turn off. It is worth a shot, it is 174€, which is like going to the restaurant 3-4 times in my country. Rtings review below.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/24gl600f

My last problem is lighting, but i use a lot of daylight and it is near impossible to find out which lighting i prefer, when i dont have a working monitor. I know that some HUE lamps seem to be bearable(hue white and color) and other HUE lamps i own are sh*tty garbage(hue white).

I am also thinking about getting an old monitor without LEDs inside but with an HDMI port. But my wife is killing me with her nagging about all the stuff i already bought, so will try the LG 24GL600f first.

If the monitor is better i will try to get a cheap used laptop with a safe GPU and a working docking station(i have one, but not sure it will fit a used laptop). Used laptops can be super cheap and i am totally fine to use PC only for gaming and a safe laptop i can do all my work stuff on.

You seem to not have problems with your monitor? What are you using right now?

Lauda89 which problems did you have with the new motherboard? nausea and brainfog? But i dont get nausea with my Eizo monitor, same DP cable, same power cable, same motherboard. Not sure why it should be the motherboard?!

Lauda89 it is very possible, that my brainfog is due to the monitor but not due to the colors. Perhaps it is even mainboard induced, but i think it is the best to test another monitor before jumping to conclusions.

hayder1983 Dizziness / brainfog mainly! I needed more than a week to recover. I think it is a software problem or is the pci express 5.0 slot doing something strange! I have no idea. I honestly thought I was comfortable keeping old GPU and SSD, but no! Now i am waiting to receive the nvidia 1660 super and i will try with that GPU! Otherwise I will sell everything and give intel 12 series a try..

Lauda89 I also had the same symptoms with the old setup when I had upgraded windows to 2004. So it might just be a software issue, because as I said, even with windows update blocker on, windows installed drivers when it recognized the motherboard change!

Lauda89 Did you try another PCI E slot for your GPU?

Lauda89 i think my old mainboard did only have PCI Express 3, but i am not sure anymore.

Lauda89 Can you try Steam deck with an external monitor?

Lauda89 Not sure I understand the "I also had the same symptoms with the old setup when I had upgraded windows to 2004." part.

Are you saying that when your old Ryzen 1700 system was updated to windows 10 2004 you had exactly the same issues as with the new Ryzen 7xxx and that's why you kept your win 10 on the pre-2004 version?