Hi everyone, i read some older posts but no one seems to be active. I bought a new MBA with M1, switching from a ‘19 15 MBP. I am getting eye strain after few minutes of use. It gives me headache. This has never happened with the previous machine. My eyes are ok, i had a medical consultant two weeks ago. At work I use a windows machine without any effort for hours. Is this a display issue? Something related to Big Sur? Anyone experimenting the same problem?

mattiadebiaggi Not much you can tweak with the new M1's at the moment. Some users of this forum have bought, tested, and returned. You may be best to return it and go back to your old MacBook unfortunately.

I am not going to be much of help, but sometimes in February or March this year I tested in a shop a couple of MACs with M1. The MacBook Air - can't recall the details but it was the cheapest of the series - looked okay after 15-20 minutes, whereas the MacBook Pro gave me instantaneous eye strain and neck pain. I am not qualified to tell you what the reason for the difference could be, though. Have you tried a MacBook Air?

AGI It was the air, see title of post. I would suggest op stocks up on old mac's that work for them. At least have one backup device to fallback on. Or a long shot, maybe try a warranty return. Play dumb and mention there's a flicker in the screen. You maybe sent a new one that could be ok, if it's related purely to the display hardware.

I looked at the same M1 one in the store and could not stand it. Immediate eye strain in just a few minutes. I don't think there are much to tweak, your best shot is to return it, use the one you're comfortable with and wait for the next model.

thorpee My bad, sorry. Anyhow, I must now use a Mac Mini at work. As soon as I looked at the display last Friday, I got immediate eyestrain and neck tension. Horrible experience for the moment. I will see if symptoms diminish with time, but I am not very positive.

I bought a Macbook air M1 and the first day or so had a strain, but now i dont have a problem. Ive been looking at the new iMac and instore that seems fine to me. I cant use Windows 10 because of the eye strain/headaches so this may well be my replacement for my 7 years old Windows 8.1 machine.

The more I read about dithering for color, the more I feel this is a very overlooked issue. Check this page out regarding temporal dithering and look at the very slowed down image and see if it makes you feel weird. Please also read their data. It is my belief that dithering is used for HDR. I'm still trying to verify this. If so, this explains why all of the current TVs are out of my reach.

Clokwork It is my belief that dithering is used for HDR. I'm still trying to verify this. If so, this explains why all of the current TVs are out of my reach. I think the HDR "certifications" only "mandate" that displays are native 8-bit, all else is kind of "ad-hoc", but I could be wrong. 😐

JTL Thanks for that. I will need to see what the full requirements are and what manufacturers do to meet them.

Clokwork For starters https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria-cts1-1/

MacBook Air and eye strain

Lauda89

Clokwork Mee too! The Iphone X is one of the best device i've ever had. Zero eye strain..
Honestly i've never tried other recent iphone, but next year i will try to change it.

bkdo

Clokwork

Lauda89

It's odd that the X works for you guys, I wonder what makes it different than the later OLED iPhones. The X was extremely harsh on my eyes, just like the 11, 12, and 13.

Do either of you have issues with any of the modern iPads or Macs?

Clokwork

bkdo

I absolutely do. All of the new products with screens that apple makes currently are unusable for me. I wish I could get apple to confirm, but I am close to 100% certain my issue is temporal dithering. This is the only common factor I have found across displays I have issues with. PWM doesn't bother me apparently according to what I use currently.

ryans

Clokwork Consider emailing accessibility AT apple.com. If enough people do it, they might take this seriously.

Apple spends a lot of time to develop VoiceOver screenreaders for blind people. That's a minority of the population, like us. We need to make Apple care by letting them know this issue exists.

Clokwork

ryans I think I have put my name in that hat already, but did so with no expectation. I can't imagine them taking it seriously, but I am a pessimist when it comes to Apple and this issue. I will try again just to make sure.

Lauda89

I've never tried the iphone 11, 12 and 13 so i can't reply.

I am using also the pixel 4A and it's fine for me.

Recenter Apple product that i've tried with bad results are:

Ipad Pro 10,5" (i am still using the ipad air 2)
MBA 2018
MBP 16" 2019

Clokwork

Lauda89 I can actually use the 10.5 iPad Pro but nothing newer

reaganry

Lauda89 ooh. first vote for Pixel Phone. does it work for anyone else?

ryans

Donux Can you please share the EliteBook model that's usable for you?

AGI

Donux lower pixel density

Hi, out of curiosity, why lower pixel density?

reaganry

Clokwork I have a LOT more options with my AMD card (and displayport) than with nvidia.

Clokwork

reaganry What sort of options are you referring to?

Clokwork

I've had the hypothesis that display resolution could matter too. What baffles me a little is that my TV is "2k". It accepts 4k signals. I did have to dumb down my projector from 4k to 1080p, but 1080p is its' native form. It basically shakes the pixels really fast to simulate 4K. My current monitor is 1080p and the one I am eyeing is 2k.

thorpee

Higher resolutions mean the UI needs to be scaled up. Which could lead to fancy upscaling that causes us issues.

This calculator is a good tool. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/technology/ppi-calculator.php

Anything over 100ppi I struggle to read.

AGI

thorpee Higher resolutions mean the UI needs to be scaled up. Which could lead to fancy upscaling that causes us issues.

Donux Now the problem is not eye strain, but motivating to do work rather than spend on social networks

😆 Good on you!

I asked that question, because historically I have always benefited from lowering the display resolution. In some cases that has transformed an unusable system into a perfectly usable one and for as many hours per day as I wanted. A change from day to night. I never found an explanation for the "trick", though, especially while most folks were going for the opposite, higher and higher resolutions.

thorpee Higher resolutions mean the UI needs to be scaled up. Which could lead to fancy upscaling that causes us issues.

Interesting. Are you referring to the native resolution / density of the pixels or to image re-scaling? Sorry, I am not very knowledgeable.

thorpee

AGI

When we started getting higher resolutions of 2k or 4k they had to quickly find ways to make the buttons, menus and text bigger. That's when they probably started playing with dithering more at the OS level to smooth out any pixel based items that did not scale well. Apple probably established it all with the retina display. Thanks Apple.

I feel like we are better to stick with lower resolutions so we can leave scaling at 100%. Like a 24inch 1080p or 27inch 1080p monitor.

Tom81

Hi guys,

I'm thinking about getting Macbook Air M1 since this hardware is great for my work. I'm very worried about eye strain since I already have a problem with it.

I have glasses with blue light filter but they don't help much.

Can you suggest good monitor to use with? I've seen Asus Eye Care monitors, are they any good? Is it just marketing?

I've read about curved monitors being good. Anyone with experience on this?

Any other recommendations on 27' monitor to pair with M1?

Thank you

ryans

thorpee Apple probably established it all with the retina display.

This is anecdotal, but I had no issues with any device, until Apple Retina came out. That started it for me.

AGI

thorpee Apple probably established it all with the retina display. Thanks Apple.

The first Retina display that came out, though, looked so easy on my eyes. I remember looking at it in Apple stores back in 2013 and wishing I could switch my business Windows laptop to Apple. Now, instead I can tolerate only the new MacBook Air.

Clokwork

I disagree with the software assessment. My iPad, usable for almost 4 years became unusable around the time iPad OS release version 15. My eyes have the same symptoms that the newer iDevices cause. At first I thought it was hardware only, but now I think it can be both.

eyestrainsolutions

AGI

The macbook air m1 is also the most confortable laptop for my eyes, the air m2 isn’t confortable. Did try other laptops or smartphones that are confortable for you?

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