Temporal Dithering Sensitivity - My Solution

Yes but you havent read my previous posts I Think it seems? THe player was just an another example of stuff which gave me headache same as PS4 for example in the past.
I repeat my story in short: I had 43wd750 SONY TV in the past and I was playing on it with PS4 and PC no problems at all... One day I have bought Switch and this TV had only 2 hdmi so I sold it (I regret this to this day..) and went for 4k Panasonic TV 50". At this time I have only been playing zelda on switch and had no issues at all for like 150h with this game... Then I went back to my PC and PS4 to discover I can't use it anymore with PC I had little headaches and with PS4 I had bloody eyes and really serious headaches but when connected any of this to monitor FS2434 - no problems... Back then I thought its PWM on Panasonic (but now thinking logic the PWM was still there while playing 150h on Switch Zelda game..) so I Have bought SONY XE9005 on which I could play most games on PC but Couldnt on PS4 due to headaches. I have been using this TV from 2017 with PC as second monitor and recently it got an update which made it unusable for me on PC again...
I have tried couple of screens including 4-5 TVs (OLED also) with similar results: when I have watched TV itself or something via internet / app on TV - no problems, using my PS3 and playing blu ray - no problems (PS3 has set up limited RGB as default). The moment when I have plugged my pc into the hdmi of TV same content like you tube stream was with headaches... I have also tried Dell u4320q which didnt give me any headaches on any content.. but sadly it gave me neck pains cause its a little to low for my couch viewing I have also received a bad unit (was higher on left side then on right) so I have returned it anyway.
After returning all those TVs I sit back on my XE9005 again and discovered that TV after update was not sending good signal in terms of FULL/LIMITED I have restored it and it started to work as it should.

Now the point: I have discovered that putting it to LIMITED RGB (both TV and PC) and not using screen mirror but exclusive mode (I have tested using limited and screen duplicate and headaches were there..) on TV dont give me headache SO IM BACK to 2017 WHEN I HAVE BOUGHT THIS TV... btw. before update I could use it with screen mirror without headaches
Now when I think of it I remember putting all my TVs for FULL and PC too and it propably was the cause.. because I have read here on the forum that someone did test and RGB full dont produce temporal dithering at all.
I could assume if I would have ps4 now and could set it manually to limited it could work... same with that blu ray player or other stuff and maybe those TVs that I have returned would work in exclusive mode/limited rgb tgo? ofc im not 100% sure

The important fact: Im going back with memory to that old SONY 43wd750 TV and there was no problems at all.. but I remember I had it in other room and had to connect the hdmi each time to TV to play on couch cause the cable was going thru other room AND when you connect the hdmi in the TV it is set up in nvidia control panel to LIMITED RGB as default so I assume TV was sending limited also and it worked for me.. I wasn't thinking of any of this back then cause I had no sympthoms I just plugged the PC set TV to game and no more changes..

So as you can see "bad" player/console/hardware dont 100% fit for me cause same hardware connected to monitor is usually 100% fine.. I can't remember using anything with monitor giving me problems... I remember I have once took the PS4 to my work and I have played it for coulpe hours without headaches to make sure the PS4 is ok and is not with Panasonic 4k Tv..

I could try that u4320q again and try to lift it but best what I would like is a bigger screen and there are no 50-55 monitors apart from like alienware55 oled which is overpriced and I think similar to TV or should be and I can;t be sure if it would fit me head..

Monitors use FULL RGB tho and here is my question what are the differences between TVs receiving signal and monitor? Why same hardware works for me on monitors (sending full rgb then?) but not on TVs?

I have been thinking maybe it's couple of things / factors but what?!...

Sunspark I doubt its the processing in my case why?
First as I said - When I watch TV or you tube streams on TV itself or when I watch blu ray movie from player I have no sympthoms at all and I cant watch TV even in "bad" picture mode like normal which have the most processing turned on (I tested this) but usually I watch at "true cinema" "custom" or similar which is most accurate/calibrated mode on most TVs ( rtings usually have info about most accurate mode on any TV). Belive me I have tested most of those picture modes it makes no difference - because of the second read below...
Also It's just simple logic - same you tube stream on TV itself no symphoms and identical stream played via PC connected throu hdmi to TV give symphoms!
Second - I have literally all procesing turned off on all TVs I have tried. Just everything.
Third - If you would read my post above more carefully you would see that 4:4:4 gives me headaches also... and yes I know about rename HDMI input to game/PC its required on LG for example but for eg. on the SONY you dont need to rename labels.

Still weird thing is that with RGB limited I have no symphoms on my SONY TV I will test this furthermore but with RGB FULL on TVs hedaches are there but on monitors are not with same device..
Unfortunatelly I would need another TV to test if RGB limited would work for me same as on my TV SONY now.

It's something when connecting PC/console throught HDMI to TV... and something related to colors/rgb range in my case and maybe some sort of temporal dithering with some devices/screens in my case.
A mystery why on monitors its fine tho...

glvn
It's GTX 1070 asus strix driver 382.05 (default from CD), Windows 7 without updates from around 4 years nothing has changed not even a cable. BUT the problem with outpout started after TV updates I think I have write about it.

Thanks for the reply but I dont think focusing on PC is a good trace... because im using it on my monitor and it dont give me any symphoms. As I have write above but I will repeat: I have also connected PS4 to this TV and other panasonic 4k TV and had strong sympthoms while on my older TV there were none... Also I was connecting same PS4 to three different monitors - no problems.

This TV now which I have XE9005 SONY is not ideal too... while I said I have nosymphoms IF ITS IN LIMITED RGB and I can play most games - yes thats correct but I have mostly played older games on it. For e.g. one day I have tried Assetto corsa and project cars and coudlnt stand more then 20-30mins and in previous years I have played assetto for 1,5 year on my monitor without single issue/pain. The headache from playing assetto laster even 3 days... after just 1 hour of it on this TV... and most other games - fine (on PC because as I said on PS4 any game gave me headache/eye strain). I remember once I have dropped contrast on this TV from 90 to 50 and assetto game looked quite fine and I was able to play for 1,5 no symphoms but other content on contrast 50 looked VERY DARK (barely could see stuff).
I will add that my main monitor EIZO FS2434 does use FRC so not quite fit to temporal dithering?

My guess is something not quite working from the 4k era TVs for me... someone here on forum said screens with contrast ratio 1000:1 or below works for him... and I have checked that my old TV was 1000:1 and all monitors were too 1000:1 (IPS panels mostly) and that contrast lowering working on assetto corsa maybe thats a some trace...
One thing in common is all new 4k TVs have PFS luminodiode while all those monitors have old white W-LED maybe it is somehow related or the contrast is to high for me on TVs for gaming but fine for movies and TV? dont know..

glvn
FS2434 I have it connected to this PC via DVI I had it connected also thru HDMI in both versions there were no issues at all IN FACT ANYTHING that I have connected to this monitor never gave me any symphoms.

"It is very strange that this did not affect the appearance of the problem when playing with the built-in player. Has the Android version changed?"
Yes. The newest is Oreo I think and oldest was Android 6 if I remember correctly.

" Also I was connecting same PS4 to three different monitors - no problems.
in all cases, was the HDMI connection type and full range used?"
With PS4 back then I had it set to auto same as TV and in that setup it was working in FULL RGB range. I think I have tried it with this tv with limited too but cant remember effects so it had to be bad (if it would work I would remember). And when I connected to monitors I didnt change anything just plugged HDMI to a monitor and played but then it should work in FULL also propably if signal was read good between ps4 auto - monitor.

"your best combination for XE9005 now: win7+1070(HDMI limited output range) ?"
As for this PC with TV yes but as I said not all games. Also the PS3 as blu ray player works great (limited too).

I have tried couple of TVs but discovered limited range just now and on all of those TVs I had full rgb... for example I had Panas OLED and watching it was fine... movie fine... just plugged PC set up full and headaches at back/top of my head pop in just in 10-15mins, similar with other TVs whichj I have returned in past 2 months. I couldnt trty PS4 now cause I sold it back then.
I have also tried 43 monitor and that worked well I have tested 1,5hour in assetto corsa and I have felt just like on my FS2434. Too bad they don't produce 50-55 inch monitors

glvn DP with full rgb.

I'm thinking there can be no other solution then to buy a 43 monitor and lift it up (it was too low for me and gave me neck pains) and live with smaller screen or play older games as I do now on Xe9005. I like movies also and this sony is very good for it that's why its also tought for me going smaller.

I have also found a strange Acer monitor... Acer EB490QK and EB550K. Almost no reviews tho I have found just one translated from Russian language, it's flicker free, W-LED but has two downsides... 1. GLOSSY 2. quite a lot of bad customers opinions on it with a defect/malfuntion within 0-8months of use.

Maybe also some idea would be to buy PS4 if I find a place with easy return for a console and TRY to set it up manually for LIMITED and see if that works on XE9005.

KM Well it's a possibility but then I would belive TVs would flicker more then monitors for sure. I don't have any stuff to check this manually (apart from testufo) but my fs2434 was in all reviews described as flicker free even at 1 brightness. Monitors are made for full day sitting/work whiles TVs are made for normal-casual people who sit in front of it much less. Only sony does "flicker free TVs but even on those rtings said they measure some flicker at low level backlight and it may be this that can bother.
The other diference between watching on TV itself is the picture mode while on all I have processing turned off when im using PC i have to ofc use GAME mode but on TV itself you cant put game mode on. Still a mistery why on this sony limited doesnt cause pain with PC..

Reality creation yes I know that well I have tried it in a movie it does the job well at making the soap opera effect and adds smoothness BUT it also adds a lot of flicker which I have tested also rtings say about this too and in my case I couldnt watch a movie with this...

Last evening I had to turn on light in my room and noticed after a while that my eyes were little watery/tired after around 2 hour watching.. so refclections add some to the strain too in my case. I usually use light behind me for movies/evening but this time I have used the one in the mid.
And all monitors I have tested had 3h coating matte finish while TVs are glossy or semi-glossy like my XE9005.

I have also read that higher constant ratio apart from making the picture more pretty also makes our eyes to focus more and it can add to eye strain (another factor). That try out with much lower contrast on assetto corsa wasnt a coincidence I think and as I said all monitors I have used have 1000:1 contrast ratio and TVs way higher.. Also monitors I have tried dont support HDR while all TVs do..

I think it can also be just all those couple of things/factors which adds to eye strain + the age that give a results as I described and the result may vary depending on the display which is being used. Movies and TV is quite easy on the eyes and older / easier on the eyes/head games are fine for me but newer ones with smaller UI/more blur/more complicated graphisc etc harder for eyes +all those little factors which leads to eye strain and my eyes / head says NO.

Might be that XE9005 is just the best from all those TVs I had to return... ATM just thinking that I would have to try out 43 monitor and lift it up as the only solution cause I had too many TVs without success.

KM I won't argue about the PWM because I don't have my own stuff to test it but in my experience monitors are WAY better in terms of being eye-friendly. I still remember that three years ago after playing for less then 1 hour on PS4 on my new 4K Panasonic TV (PWM 240hz) next day I still felt eye horrible strain and headache and I saw strangly while driving car to work in the morning... And in comparison on any monitor I Never had any symptoms with any content/device.

Reality creation yes I was wrong and thought you mean Smoothness sorry english is my secondary so propably that's it. I have used/tested reality creation too on couple of values but it didn't add or make any symphoms less in my experience. For me I prefered the more original picture then with this ON.

As for the RGB - maybe but that still strange that on monitors same device I always get full rgb and no problems while on TVs only limited works (at least for XE9005). When I had 55 OLED at first I just watched TV for 2 days and 1 movie and it was fine and I have felt completely normal. Then I have connected PC and set up FULL RGB straight on TV and PC and run a you tube stream and had no eye strain on oled at all but I had this strange headache at the back of my head/top after about 15mins of usage. I still wonder if limited would work same way (or better) then on XE9005 cause watching just a "normal" TV (which normally I do very rarely) was a whole new experience then anything I saw.

A small update... I was able to grab my first 4K Panasonic TV from my family and I have tested it for around 5-6 hours on Saturday. I have set up RGB Limited and noticed the headache at the back/top of my TV was not present at all! I was still sick for around 3 days (headache in front between eyes/forehead) but im sure that's because of PWM at 240hz which all Panas TVs are using (except OLEDs). And those symphoms from PWM as usual were slowly growing per hours while the pain from RGB full at the back/top has shown up at 15 mins of usage on all TVs always.
Too bad I didnt know this when I had that OLED cause first two days if I remember correctly I had no symphoms on it (but just watched TV without connecting PC) and the pain started at third day when I have connected PC and set up RGB Full...