So I bought a 144hz gaming monitor with gsync about a week ago and it seem to help alot, was having eyestrain suddenly from a PC I have been using for years, I think there was a windows update or something, but since getting the monitor it helped alot.
Feedback from Microsoft OS engineers and something that is helping me
ryans I did install the ICC profile. I did not notice a difference
Worth mentioning that installing an ICC profile only ever helped on Windows 7, not 10
Are you able to use the Dell S2421HGF for an entire day (10-12hrs) without any eye strain/brain fog/headache?
Most of the day. I still take breaks. Although some bad news, the effect seems to be waning and the monitor seems to be causing more focusing strain today. No idea why
ensete try making the lighting more uniformed in you work space, I noticed that in the morning my eye strain more because it's darker but when the sun comes out and my room has more of a uniformed lighting it gets better
ensete I will be since at some point corporate will move me to it regardless. For my home PC I ill never be moving beyond Windows 7, ever.
Hi there! This Win 7 thing was my mantra back in 2019 right before upgrading to a new CPU, Mobo etc. But then I was told another thing to consider.
Win 10 (and now 11) has the best support for new CPUs and GPUs and other respective parts (like NVME drives). Staying with Win 7 moving on in time would be limiting your own self or at least limiting the efficiency coefficient of your computer parts thus degrading performance.
Have you given this a thought?
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ensete Thanks for sharing. It is great that you found a fix and, especially, an explanation for the fix. And it is fantastic that you brought up your / our issues to Microsoft's high spheres. May this be the beginning of something! My laptop has become unusable after an update last week. I can't take it anymore. I really look forward to a "permanent" solution.
ryans Assuming your graphics card supports it, would a 360Hz monitor be even better?
Is it correct that the settings above say that I cannot increase the refresh rate of the laptop display, but do not imply that I can't use a 144 Hz or 360 Hz external display?
Where do I find the maximum refresh rate allowed by the graphics card? I cannot find it here.
Also, my laptop has two graphics card. It seems that the one used for the display is Intel UHD Graphics by default. Can that be changed and what are the downsides? Thanks in advance for any help!
Oshim No level of computing "efficiency coefficient" (??) is worth being in pain over. Win 7 will be all I ever use. I know people still rocking WinXP to this day. A computer is a tool not a statement of ones tech elitism.
Thanks for sharing. It is great that you found a fix and, especially, an explanation for the fix
Unfortunately all of a sudden, this solution ha failed for me and my symptoms are right back to where they were, with no explanation
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ensete Unfortunately all of a sudden, this solution ha failed for me and my symptoms are right back to where they were, with no explanation
Bummer! Sorry to hear that. Did Windows or a graphics driver update (maybe it's not driving at 144Hz). Or a lighting change in the office?
Wonder if the 360Hz monitor is worth a try?
Is the eyepatch a "fallback" solution?
Will you try to get in touch with the Engineer to see if any other theories could cause this?
I wonder if this is a brain adaptation thing. I seem to recall you had Irlen lenses which helped, then stopped helping. A perhaps similar thing occurs with prism glasses -- patients may "eat" the prism and require stronger ones over time.
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ensete Unfortunately all of a sudden, this solution ha failed for me and my symptoms are right back to where they were, with no explanation
Sorry to hear that, but, to be honest, I am not surprised. 14 months ago I changed job and I was given a W10 laptop. I thought I would not make it. For a few days I had spasms not only in my eyelids but even my triceps and low back, not to mention the eye and neck strain. The symptoms slowly subsided. The eye and neck strain went on for a while longer, but after a month I had almost no issues. Now the very same laptop has become horrible after a BIOS update. At Windows level everything is the same as before. The display refresh rate has always been 60 Hz, so I do not think the refresh rate is my problem. In the past I used multiple PCs on W10 without major problems. I am quite sure the monitors were run at a refresh rate of 60 Hz. I am not saying that 144 Hz or 360 Hz would not help. I doubt that is the answer to my disability.
I still think that talking to someone who develops Windows is a super added value.
ryans I wonder if this is a brain adaptation thing.
As I said before, somehow my eyes adjusted to my W10 laptop a year ago, as they had adjusted to my Oukitel phone two years ago. I have been running all possible updates on the phone for two years without experiencing any difference. In both cases I do not recall a precise moment when the device became usable. It was a very gradual process.
On the other hand, in the past I worked for three years on a PC and a laptop, both on W7, which gave me constant issues. The only improvement over months was that I could manage the symptoms better at the end of the day. There was another shared computer, nominally the same as mine and using the same model of monitor, which was very gentle on my eyes instead. I figured out when I was about to leave that there was at least one difference between that computer and my PC. The graphics card.
Further on brain adaptation, as I posted elsewhere, my orthoptist had suggested stopping with loose prism exercises for 6 months. I just resumed exercising and I can confirm that I have not maintained what I had learnt. I cannot carry out the exercises anymore using a high power prism.
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Hello everyone!
Found something on the topic of Vertical Blanking… if we have a science guy here, maybe this can be explained as it means squat to me
Here is the link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/vertical-blanking
On a side note, has anyone tested if they feel better on Win 11 vs. the same display on Win 10…? I for one can upgrade immediately, but I am wondering if the whole exercise is worth it?
Personally, I don't plan on returning to Win 7 and this "solution" is not viable for me.
Relatively new here but I have been reading up some of the suggestions posted by different members of the community.
So I have ordered multiple monitors both 8bit +144hz and (8bit +FRC) 144hz to test out with windows 11 machine. So far from my early testing I can say windows 11 is little easier on the eyes. Best way to describe is W10 gives me the cluster migraine that starts building up around my forehead while W11 is slow build up of dry eyes.
I will make another post soon of my different testing of devices, right now I am testing Mac Mini M1, MacBook Pro 14 M1 Pro and couple of surface laptops one with intel chip and other one Ryzen. I have also bought multiple monitors. Fingers crossed
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Wow, great news and great approach @Nickx ! I really like the idea of variety that you are going for!
I would take dry eyes any day of the week compared to a deep brain discomfort/pain. I use artificial tears eye drops so I think I can live with dryness and moisturizing from time to time (1 to 3 times daily).
I will give Win11 a try tonight with my Win10 build backed up on a hard drive ready to be restored.
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@ensete Have you given Neurolens a try? They unfortunately didn't help me, but the company who makes them gives a full money-back guarantee on the lenses, which is honored by most Doctors. I know you have spent a lot of money on this condition, but given this will not cost, it might be worth a try.
Neurolens can now measure/prescribe with precision of 1/100 of a prism diopter.
If you go, make sure you ask about vertical misalignment. The Neurolens measurement device measured vertical phorias but doesn't prescribe anything; the Doctor needs to write in what to do (since sometimes vertical prism is split between the eyes, or just one eye).
They also collect data from patient outcomes and improve over time (I've been watching their clinical videos).
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Nickx (8bit +FRC) 144hz
Hi, can you (or anyone else) please elaborate on 8 bit + FRC? I assume FRC stands for Frame Rate Control as described here. In other posts, I read that one should set the color depth to 8 bit rather than 6 bit. Why would you add FRC to 8 bit? And by the way, how do you add or remove FRC from the equation? Via a dedicated software? Thanks!
@AGI 8 bit + FRC is an attempt to emulate 10 bit colors. That is why you would add FRC to 8 bit.
If your panel is 6 bit and you want to remove FRC colors will be unreal and washed out (I assume as I have never had a 6 bit panel). You remove it by going into NVIDIA Control Panel and selecting Color Depth to be 6 bit (Full).
If your panel is 8 bit + FRC you can just select 8 bit color depth (Full) from NVIDIA Control Panel and you have removed the FRC from the equation.
Hope this helps.
My IPS screen will list 8 and 12 bit, I understand it is a 6+FRC panel though. - what is 12 bit if its 8 or 10? (maybe I am not understanding)
My TN screen only lists 8bit as it does not have FRC.
HAL9000 afaik, TN panels accept up to 8 bit signals natively. Some are 6. If you are seeing any color profile above 8 bits and your panel isn't OLED or didn't currently cost thousands of dollars, odds are it's an 8 bit panel. Choosing anything above 8 bit will just use FRC (temporal dithering) to obtain those colors.
If you are not sensitive to FRC, I'd say by all means, use the higher bit profile.