JTL Yep thats the problem, i cannot find two identical “systems” having one with the thing ON, while OFF on the other. Like having an SW at two different build level, where the before-after effect could be witnessed. Or a display with old and new Firmware on it, etc. Its even harder, since I dont have problems with different Gpu Bioses, different Win/Linux builds etc.
What works for you, what do you use now without problems?
I can still use any Windows 7 build just fine, all my home PC's are set up with Windows 7
For wok I have to use Windows 10 but patching allows me to tolerate it.
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I will use this thread to ask an interesting question.
Has anybody tried using a discrete GPU, but hooking up the monitor on the integrated GPU (intel UHD or similar)? This means, using the power of the discrete GPU, but running the display via the motherboard and CPU.
I tried this on my home desktop computer, and it seems to me that at least for Linux Ubuntu, the setup I had before (Ubuntu, GT1030, displayport) is now usable, that is, I can easily look at the screen for hours.
brjdenis Yes, I did that. But it turned out that Intel UHD it also causes eye discomfort but not as strong as on 3070. Now I am testing gt 730 + 3070 bundle.
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I heard about that, but in my case Ubuntu works really well with intel graphics UHD 630 in combination with Nvidia. Go figure…
I tried it on dell U2413.
brjdenis By the way, note that there is a slight decrease in performance. About 5 to 10%.
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Hi, can you please advise how do you force windows to mark the lower end nvidia card as the power saving card and the other as high performance? It works fine with Intel vs. NVidia, but I'd like to achieve exactly what you have - GT 730 or 1030 as the power saving to which I plug my monitor and the main NVidia as the one doing the "calculations". Is there a way to force this somehow?
And do you see some clear difference between a 730 and a 1030? I'm going to buy one, unfortunately 730s have no longer NVidia support and I fear a driver conflict in windows 10.
Thanks a lot.
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machala I was guided by this post https://ledstrain.org/d/2204-experiences-with-bypassing-rtx-dithering-with-a-second-vga
In short, it is done through the flag EnableMsHybrid in regedit. EnableMsHybrid must be set to 1 for high perfomance card and 2 for low in each partition related for each video card (0000, 0001). It is also important to find a common driver that supports both cards because it is not possible to install the driver for each card separately.
Main differences between business and entertainment products :
Screens and gpus. All nvidia cards are bad (subjectively to me ). Business often run on only intel (latest intel iris is also very bad for me though).
And then the screens, gaming screens are often oversaturated (very high color gamut), flicker more frequently (pwm), use different phophors with their leds (more modern ones that are supposed to be bad), have higher refresh rate.
In general, business products also run on older hardware.
Besides of that, there is not much difference.
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CepheiHR8938 I was guided by this post https://ledstrain.org/d/2204-experiences-with-bypassing-rtx-dithering-with-a-second-vga
In short, it is done through the flag EnableMsHybrid in regedit. EnableMsHybrid must be set to 1 for high perfomance card and 2 for low in each partition related for each video card (0000, 0001). It is also important to find a common driver that supports both cards because it is not possible to install the driver for each card separately.
A word of serious caution with this method:
Use it on a system you don't care about!
After using this method myself not only did my RTX 3070ti not stop dithering but my system now dithers with any card I have put in it. It literally infected my system and all my cards with dithering and I have still not been able to fix it.
BloodyHell619 lol do a clean reinstall then
BloodyHell619 I recently caught the eye discomfort problem again due to installing a new motherboard bios. It was nothing being helped. I rolled back the bios, it didn't work. I reinstalled windows, it didn't work either. But then here's what helped: I did it all together. First, I prepared a windows installation flash drive with bios files beforehand. I deleted all the system partitions of windows to avoid booting into the operating system. I installed any other version of the bios other than the one that was installed (the one I needed) to be sure that the "corrupted" bios was exactly overwritten. After that, I installed windows and it worked.
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Recently, I experimented again with various setups. After reading more suggestions from this site and other sites I purchased old Nvidia GPUs from ebay. I am using the latest version of Windows 10 Home, a new VA monitor Dell SE2722H connected through VGA cable. I didn't try it on Ubuntu. These graphics cards work great, meaning I can comfortably work at the computer for hours without "bleeding from my eyes":
- Nvidia Quadro 600.
- Nvidia Quadro 4000
- Nvidia Quadro K420,
- Nvidia Quadro K4000
Both non-K-version GPUs use Fermi architecture which is the oldest of the Quadro series. And the K-version use the Keppler architecture. People say that they are safe for the eyes.
It turns out, at least for me, that this is the case. However, only when using the oldest driver from 2015.
For comparison, these GPUs with the same setup, are not tolerable:
- Pny Nvidia T600
- Asus Nvidia GT 1030
- Asus Nvidia GT 730 (Keppler 2.0 acrhitecture),
- Asus AMD Radeon Rx 550
- Intel UHD 630
Go figure…
brjdenis Thats great news congrats on getting some cards that work for you, i also find the Kepler and Fermi Quadro cards are the most reliable choice, i built a streaming box with an extra K4200 i had and the output to my TV is just super. Just wondering what motherboard are you using? If your using a prebuilt computer which model is it?
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i'm using a lenovo thinkpad t500 from 2010, bought it recently for 100usd, one with ccfl backlight, hence uses dc dimming, no pwm . Perfectly fine for my eyes. runs totally smooth on debian linux after upgrading the ram to 8gb and the harddrive to ssd. only video processing could need some more cpu power.
THere is a version of this laptop with LED backlight, definitelly not recommending that one . The ccfl version is perfect.
