DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs I can relate to that, especially fatigue. It was pretty bad for me when only machine I had was macbook and it lasted for a while. Even after using "proper" or maybe somewhat tolerable screen, I had to go through a lot of weird symptoms before I could really say I feel much much better. But the very first ever symptom I had was - feeling ungrounded. Walking bare foot on the sand near the beach - always helped. This may be not a primary cause, but when you have issues accumulating in your nervous system, you have to deal with them one by one at the moment. One interesting way to hack your brain and nervous system is to use two laptop setup, literally working with both one on the left another on the right. This I believe increases neuroplasticity, specially for power users who are pretty much cyborgs nowadays.
Grounding to the earth: does this help you too?
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moonpie Like back tourmaline for example. It has grounding effect, and from pure scientific view it has some unique electrical properties. As far as I can recall - it does absorb EMF fields and humans do emit EMF too. I am wondering, what happens to your body, if you hold your hands on a macbook, that is plugged into a socket without grounding cable. Surely it is harmless for short time, but if you stay like this for tens of hours per day, it will affect your body. It can cause fatigue, skin issues etc. Many things I read in this forum screams to me EMF. And not just WIFI which may contribute to chest pain people are writing about, but also screen itself, which beyond visible light emit other forms of EMF.
Touching a rock will not "ground" you. An electrical ground needs to have a path to the earth. If I hold a rock, that rock is surrounded by air, which is an insulator.
I don't know what is meant by "negative energies". Monitors and display do emit light energy, but that energy does not "stick" to you or require a connection to ground to clear.
This entire post makes no sense. Any relief you get from holding a rock is going to be psychosomatic, but psychosomatic relief is relief so if it works for you, hold all the rocks you want.
inexplicable within the framework of the current predominant positivist, scientistic worldview.
I don't know what you mean by "positivist scientist worldview" but this is basic electrical knowledge. If you want to ACTUALLY ground yourself, you can touch the metal screw of a light switch cover. That screws into the yoke of the light switch which provides a path to ground. This is why you can get a shock touching alight switch on a cold dry day.
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The method is to hold a medium sized rock in your hand while using the device, or afterwards after the appearance of symptoms.
The only thing which could be happening is your skin absorbing what's on the rock's surface, there's no grounding involved.
My speculation is that those of us who have this problem do not have sufficient connection with the earth. There are negative energies that are emitted by these devices which we do not sufficiently understand, and which are probably not sufficiently measurable with the means currently available to us.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but grounding is heavily deconstructed in the engineering industry and it's not something "we don't sufficiently understand"
There are no "energies" (as in, chakra / voodoo stuff that's pushed by people that preach "grounding" on social media) being "flushed out"
I will however say that electrical grounding of your electronics (especially for headphones, keyboard, mice, since they're in direct contact with our bodies) is a good thing and bad grounding can cause a myriad of issues for PC's (and electronics as a whole), along with potential health concerns. (emitted electric fields, RF emission,...)
In fact, bad grounding could potentially affect monitor timings and monitor voltages (perhaps even oscillating the backlight in extreme cases? I personally haven't seen this documented, but think of brownouts in a sense)
Ever felt tingling from a aluminium keyboard during PC use? That's bad grounding.
It means the device emits a electrical field (measured in V/m) which is in very unsafe ranges.
(note: Do not use devices such as the Trifeld, Safe&Sound Pro & similar ones to measure this, they're insufficient and somewhat of a scam compared to real solutions made by Rohde & Schwarz, Telcroy, Keysight,...)
I do however believe that walking with non-insulating shoes on grass (leather-bottom shoes for example, as I find walking bare foot grotesque) or walking on sand (bare foot or with aforementioned shoes) are a good health practice and should be practiced by everybody a few times a week.
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ensete Ensete, there is a place in that scientifically measure your Aura. I have learned a lot from one dude who is developing EMF protecting clothing in cooperation with universities. Apparently, EMF protecting clothing has unexpected negative consequence, it blocks EMFs from outside world, but it also blocks human body EMF too. We are one with our environment, and we are not some sort of walking vacuums. But to get into this mindset, one would really need to spend more time in nature and to understand how normal state fells like. So generally there is more than it meets the eye or whatever that saying is.
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moonpie Well, don't be silly. Human body radiates heat and has weak EMF field around it. And we could go into various vibrations, frequencies that each object has. Interacting with these objects with result in some sort of vibrational equilibrium. Of we are reaching an edge of science here, but stating that this has no grounds is not true either. However coming back to eye strain issues, I think it is important to evaluate human experience as we evaluating technology and human interaction. This is not siloed technology issue, meaning solving let say pwm flicker on some devices, will not solve all problems for those who are experiencing eye strain, headache and related symptoms.
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moonpie I have been introduced by this I remember in London by Oxford graduate. This is research paper, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379986613_The_aura_of_the_human_body_and_methods_for_its_measurement_and_visualization
And there is someone who produce Aura photographs for people too.
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Eye strain of the type being talked about in this forum is an inflammatory reaction to, or a result of muscle tension from, certain types of light. Take away the flickering, pulsing light and images that appear still to the naked eye but are subliminally moving and voila; no more eye strain or related symptoms. Or perhaps somehow nullify the inflammatory response or muscle tension for the same result.
Given the increasing prevalence globally of such symptom triggering light for those susceptible to it the second of those solutions seems, to me at least, to be the one that should be focused on, if you’ll pardon the pun.
This blather about rocks and auras is mildly amusing, but such pseudoscientific nonsense has no place here.
ensete I don't know what you mean by "positivist scientist worldview" but this is basic electrical knowledge. If you want to ACTUALLY ground yourself, you can touch the metal screw of a light switch cover. That screws into the yoke of the light switch which provides a path to ground. This is why you can get a shock touching alight switch on a cold dry day.
Different concept of grounding. The confusion is certainly understandable.
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Thank you everyone for your replies. The tenor of many of them I had been expecting, and that's OK. I think an epistemological discussion, which would otherwise be interesting and fruitful, would lead us too far astray here. Though I've presented my speculation, my main interest at the moment is empirical, in the sort of direct experiences that wlmsn and Donux have shared, for example.
I understand that not everyone is going to want to try this, but for those with an open spirit of curiosity -- and for those with an awareness that no approaches explored in the over 10 (?) years of existence of his forum (many of whose members are very smart people) has shown any real promise -- would you like to give this a try and report your findings?
There is nothing to lose: the worst that could happen is that you might drop the rock onto your toe (for which possibility I entirely waive responsibility).
Even if my speculations and proposal might not seem "scientific" in the widely accepted sense, it would be wonderful to have a few more "data points."
I should mention once again that the size of the rock does seem to play a role, and that it should be sufficiently large (and held for a certain amount of time). And it seems to work best with both feet flat on the ground, whether sitting or standing.
Looking forward to hearing your experiences!
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daniels Thank you everyone for your replies. The tenor of many of them I had been expecting, and that's OK. I think an epistemological discussion, which would otherwise be interesting and fruitful, would lead us too far astray here. Though I've presented my speculation, my main interest at the moment is empirical, in the sort of direct experiences that wlmsn and Donux have shared, for example.
The thing is though, it's not necessary after you find good screens
As I mentioned ago, I do see some merit in the "holding an object" idea (but for a different reason, due to the more direct connection of touch affecting eye movement) when you're still stuck with a bad screen, since I did actually end up doing that when I was stuck with a terrible 14" MBP
It's a workaround
But once I found good screens, the screen simply works (and I can use it no matter how I'm feeling or what I'm doing)
The fact you have to mess with sense of touch to "force" the screen to focus more often, points to a problem with the screen (since it's not providing an image that's consistently easy to focus)
-- not really a problem with how you feel or what your energy is etc
Honestly even EMF stuff sometimes discussed here, I don't believe that's the problem for majority of people here (AKA, I don't think it's the area most worth looking into for a solution)
In that case I don't want to discount the fact that someone might actually have a problem with that which I don't experience, but for me, and IMO most on the forum, the screen is the main factor
I have multiple wifi routers at my place, use many bluetooth devices daily, but if I'm using a safe screen like ePaper I feel amazing (despite still being in the exact same environment)
It really just doesn't matter for me, everything hinges on the screen. The headaches/"unstable feeling" I only have when I'm looking at a bad screen
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