bluetail Not per se, but if you consider it broadly from third perspective looking down on a person - various triggers initially cause various reactions as perceived by the person - let it be ungrounding, or other feelings categorized as such. This however does not imply that cause is - being ungrounded, which can mean a lot - e.g. hypersensitive person reactive to its environment in various ways, literally getting exposure to electrical fields, psychological / emotional state of mind, etc. Lets be open minded here, common subjective (unscientific) symptoms may allow us to cluster the causes, since it is unlikely that most people here have the same cause for the shared symptoms. And eye strain could be a caused by many things alone such as anxiety disorders, depression disorders, eye problems, various stressors in relation to not so perfect hardware we all are using etc.
Grounding to the earth: does this help you too?
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Tuck See my post below for an actual example related to this + more specific explanation. I kinda think they're on to something with the general idea of touch affecting vision, but IMO are using a too niche/specific concept to explain it.
What I disagree with to the original poster is that it will "ONLY" work with a specifically organic object like a rock and of course I'm skeptical about the earth thing, but I still had a pretty similar experience a few years ago:
>daniels Holding a rock appears to help with this grounding, this connection to the earth. I have only begun experimenting with this today.
LOL I used to do this back when I was stuck with a terrible mini-LED MBP. I had to hold something in my other hand to be able to even barely tolerate that screen
(it didn't matter if it was organic, just smooth, I could hold a USB mouse made from smooth plastic in my pocket and get the same effect. Of course I used a polished stone sometimes too. Interested to know if it keeps working for you even with non-natural objects as long as they're smooth)
What you're touching seems to directly affect the ways your eyes process things somehow.
Sometimes it's the opposite -- I've noticed that on all "bad laptop screens" when I press ctrl or shift repeatedly with my left pinky, the screen will go in and out of focus constantly. On some bad screens I have to do this to tolerate reading, but on others doing this actually causes some sharp eyestrain.
In that case its probably my eyes trying to watch my finger in my peripheral vision, moving slightly, and whatever weird stuff the screen is doing is getting processed in a slightly different way.
(a similar one is that I can see LCD inversion and temporal dithering whenever I move my head, but not when I'm still)
However, on my "actually good" (low-to-no strain) laptop screens, that effect doesn't happen at all lol, I can mash a key and the screen 95% of the time text will stay just as crisp and the strain level doesn't change. (Although, I do notice the very corners of my vision outside of the screen slightly fading while doing thisβ¦)
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Donux And eye strain could be a caused by many things alone such as anxiety disorders, depression disorders, eye problems, various stress
Not necessarily. I think the reason 50%+ of us are even here is that we already checked our eyes (and probably were told they were actually either "fine" or even "above average"), multiple doctors, checked other factors like mood, diet, sleep, and trying to exercise more and discovered that the screen issues (and by extension, their longer-lasting effect on the way you process vision even in the real world) were entirely separate.
Possibly even tried multiple types of vision therapy (like I did) and nothing, and what FINALLY changed anything significant about the "mystery vision issues" was switching the screen.
When I'm on a truly good screen (not just a tolerable one), it literally doesn't matter how I feel, how much sleep, how much stress, I can still look at it and read it fine pretty much no matter what.
(However, how I feel can affect how bad a bad screen is β but even on days I felt otherwise amazing back then, I still could not tolerate my mini-LED Macbook Pro for more than 15 minutes.)
Also, for me, I've noticed that so many (many but not all, of course) of the "issues I have processing vision in the real world" and general fatigue + constant tiredness I was dealing with actually go away after I use a truly good LCD, and remain fine until I use a bad screen, so screens have a significant "trailing effect that basically retrains your brain" that extends after you use them, but interestingly can also be "overwritten" pretty quickly by using a good screen.
(The one exception is non-backlit like e-ink, which "takes on the general profile" of the last screen I used before it but with a mild-to-moderate improvement.
Back when I only used bad screens, I still had fatigue reading on e-ink or even paper. Some "vision issues" I used to think "weren't screen related" β such as eyes wanting to close when standing still β remained afterwards. But when I FINALLY found a good backlit LCD, I realized just a day or two on it "retrains/resets my vision" and I can see soooo well in real life after using it, and e-ink/paper starts feeling way more readable too)
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Holding a rock won't do anything for me, but if it helps you then you should do it.
For me, I want to try putting a grounding strap on my foot and plugging it into a power outlet and see how sleeping goes. I'll get around to it.
Are you connected to the ground or are you just holding the rock? I think you'd need to be barefoot on the ground for it to work (or using a grounding pad).
I have a grounding theory unrelated to eye strain - I have a major issue with dairy (causes joint pain) but on vacation I always went to an ice cream place with my kids so I go anyway, consequences be damned. We spent the day at the beach and I got a huge ice cream, and was fine. I got nachos the next day, ice cream again and nachos the next day... felt completely fine the entire time. Came home and thought my dairy issue was gone, had a gluten free pizza with real cheese and bam, all my joints swelled up like arthritis.
I spent 8+ hours on the beach/ocean and was totally fine with dairy repeatedly, then spent none grounded and was in pain after one meal. Could be something else but I've been wondering if grounding had something to do with it. From what I've read about it, it helps with inflammation which is really the issue at play here.
Was it a different country you went to?
DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs I can relate to that, especially fatigue. It was pretty bad for me when only machine I had was macbook and it lasted for a while. Even after using "proper" or maybe somewhat tolerable screen, I had to go through a lot of weird symptoms before I could really say I feel much much better. But the very first ever symptom I had was - feeling ungrounded. Walking bare foot on the sand near the beach - always helped. This may be not a primary cause, but when you have issues accumulating in your nervous system, you have to deal with them one by one at the moment. One interesting way to hack your brain and nervous system is to use two laptop setup, literally working with both one on the left another on the right. This I believe increases neuroplasticity, specially for power users who are pretty much cyborgs nowadays.
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moonpie Like back tourmaline for example. It has grounding effect, and from pure scientific view it has some unique electrical properties. As far as I can recall - it does absorb EMF fields and humans do emit EMF too. I am wondering, what happens to your body, if you hold your hands on a macbook, that is plugged into a socket without grounding cable. Surely it is harmless for short time, but if you stay like this for tens of hours per day, it will affect your body. It can cause fatigue, skin issues etc. Many things I read in this forum screams to me EMF. And not just WIFI which may contribute to chest pain people are writing about, but also screen itself, which beyond visible light emit other forms of EMF.
Touching a rock will not "ground" you. An electrical ground needs to have a path to the earth. If I hold a rock, that rock is surrounded by air, which is an insulator.
I don't know what is meant by "negative energies". Monitors and display do emit light energy, but that energy does not "stick" to you or require a connection to ground to clear.
This entire post makes no sense. Any relief you get from holding a rock is going to be psychosomatic, but psychosomatic relief is relief so if it works for you, hold all the rocks you want.
inexplicable within the framework of the current predominant positivist, scientistic worldview.
I don't know what you mean by "positivist scientist worldview" but this is basic electrical knowledge. If you want to ACTUALLY ground yourself, you can touch the metal screw of a light switch cover. That screws into the yoke of the light switch which provides a path to ground. This is why you can get a shock touching alight switch on a cold dry day.
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The method is to hold a medium sized rock in your hand while using the device, or afterwards after the appearance of symptoms.
The only thing which could be happening is your skin absorbing what's on the rock's surface, there's no grounding involved.
My speculation is that those of us who have this problem do not have sufficient connection with the earth. There are negative energies that are emitted by these devices which we do not sufficiently understand, and which are probably not sufficiently measurable with the means currently available to us.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but grounding is heavily deconstructed in the engineering industry and it's not something "we don't sufficiently understand"
There are no "energies" (as in, chakra / voodoo stuff that's pushed by people that preach "grounding" on social media) being "flushed out"
I will however say that electrical grounding of your electronics (especially for headphones, keyboard, mice, since they're in direct contact with our bodies) is a good thing and bad grounding can cause a myriad of issues for PC's (and electronics as a whole), along with potential health concerns. (emitted electric fields, RF emission,...)
In fact, bad grounding could potentially affect monitor timings and monitor voltages (perhaps even oscillating the backlight in extreme cases? I personally haven't seen this documented, but think of brownouts in a sense)
Ever felt tingling from a aluminium keyboard during PC use? That's bad grounding.
It means the device emits a electrical field (measured in V/m) which is in very unsafe ranges.
(note: Do not use devices such as the Trifeld, Safe&Sound Pro & similar ones to measure this, they're insufficient and somewhat of a scam compared to real solutions made by Rohde & Schwarz, Telcroy, Keysight,...)
I do however believe that walking with non-insulating shoes on grass (leather-bottom shoes for example, as I find walking bare foot grotesque) or walking on sand (bare foot or with aforementioned shoes) are a good health practice and should be practiced by everybody a few times a week.
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ensete Ensete, there is a place in that scientifically measure your Aura. I have learned a lot from one dude who is developing EMF protecting clothing in cooperation with universities. Apparently, EMF protecting clothing has unexpected negative consequence, it blocks EMFs from outside world, but it also blocks human body EMF too. We are one with our environment, and we are not some sort of walking vacuums. But to get into this mindset, one would really need to spend more time in nature and to understand how normal state fells like. So generally there is more than it meets the eye or whatever that saying is.
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moonpie Well, don't be silly. Human body radiates heat and has weak EMF field around it. And we could go into various vibrations, frequencies that each object has. Interacting with these objects with result in some sort of vibrational equilibrium. Of we are reaching an edge of science here, but stating that this has no grounds is not true either. However coming back to eye strain issues, I think it is important to evaluate human experience as we evaluating technology and human interaction. This is not siloed technology issue, meaning solving let say pwm flicker on some devices, will not solve all problems for those who are experiencing eye strain, headache and related symptoms.
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moonpie I have been introduced by this I remember in London by Oxford graduate. This is research paper, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379986613_The_aura_of_the_human_body_and_methods_for_its_measurement_and_visualization
And there is someone who produce Aura photographs for people too.