Can't look at the display on Win11: advice for settings or for a new display
ocean10 This is something I am experencing. Installing windows 11, but then after sometime eye strain gets really bad. Then installing back windows 10, and it is such a relieve, but not for long. Something happens after some time, and again eye strain. Its odd. Only thing I know for sure is a bad thing - do not install optional windows driver updates, I think those are marked as optional for a reason. Better to instal from vendor apps or websites, or not to install at all. Also, I do not know what is architecture differences between windows 10 and 11, but maybe Microsoft after realising that there will be a lot of institutions that will not upgrade, decided to push many things from windows 11 into windows 10 backwards. Some of those things may have been related to eye strain causes.
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Donux Interestingly, I've found that making a System Restore point when Windows 10 is working alright, then rolling back if it feels strange later, consistently reverts whatever rendering change happened between those states. (Probably would be a good idea to compare the registry from the the restore point, and the "bad" registry right before rolling back to the restore point… haven't done this yet)
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I updated to Windows 11 in May 2024, used it for two months and experienced massive eye problems.
In July 2024 I went back to Windows 10 21H2 IoT Enterprise LTSC and have been using it ever since. My eye problems are completely gone.
I started Windows 10 LTSC in July 2024 as well. It’s been mostly okay since then except for the last 2-3 weeks I’ve been getting symptoms again. Varies in severity but I can’t tell what happened. I don’t think Windows updated but I use Outlook/Office all day and I wonder if something somehow updated in those programs.
I’m using this build:
ocean10 I even use a newer build: 21H2 19044.5487
And I use the newest Office 2024.
No problems,
I do not know what happened to you in the last few weeks, but eye problems can also come from other sources: smartphone, TV …
If I were you, I wouldn't change a thing with the current Windows system.
Hi,
I am still struggling with my monitor / Win 11/ GTX1650, which causes me nausea, eye strain etc.
At a certain stage I wasn't comfortable with the Win10 computer on which I used to work without any issues. (probably because my eyes were exhausted from all those attempts). I have not tried to install Win 10 yet (I need someone else to do it because besides the fact that I am not familiar with how to do it, I cannot look at the display when it is in safe mode or DOS etc).
I have a computer with GeForce GTX650, with Windows 10.
I have a computer with GeForce GTX1650, with Windows 11.
Both have the following display: NEC Multisync LCD2490WUXI2, 1920x1200, refresh rate 60 or 59.9 Hz, true 8-bit. Its most advanced connection is DVI-D. The most recent driver is from 2009. OSD settings are 100% brightness and 54% contrast.
Anyhow, I tried several things.
1. I switched between the 2 displays (on 100% brightness one is brighter than the other which is a little yellowish) and the 2 cables.
2. I use Windows scaling 125% on both computers. I tried changing the scaling to 150% or not using any scaling (100%).
3. I tried to connect a different type of monitor to the Win11 computer: LG Flatron IPS236V. 1920x1080, refresh rate 60Hz, 6-bit+FRC. This monitor is usually connected to another Win11 computer, without a dedicated GPU. Usually, I can look at it for a short while but not for long. I tried connecting this display to my Win11 computer, either to the iGPU or to the GTX1650. This did not work well for me. I cannot say whether it was similar or worse compared to when it is connected to its usual Win11 computer.
4. I tried to take a photo of the monitor with the various above noted combinations. I used my cellphone for taking pictures. I wonder whether the following is informative:
Although I was taking a picture (not video) of the monitor that showed a static picture, the photograph shows some sort of faint horizontal lines or stripes. While taking the picture, I looked at my cellphone display and it looked as if those faint horizontal lines were moving vertically. In a way, it reminded me of the effect that may be seen when you look at a TV that shows a TV that is turned on.
These horizontal lines appeared every time I tried to take a photograph of the NEC monitor, but not when I took a photograph of the LG monitor.
I cannot see the lines when I look at the monitor. However, I mention it because I realize that there may be effects that cause problems even if I am not aware to their existence / can't see them (for example, dithering, FRC).
NEC1920x1200+ Win11 + GTX1650 àLINES
NEC1920x1200+ Win10 + GTX650 à No lines
LG1920x1080 + Win11+ iGPU àNo lines
LG1920x1080 +Win11 + GTX1650 àNo lines
At the moment I cannot connect the NEC monitor to Win11 iGPU (because I do not have the HDMI-to DVI-D cable yet).
The NEC monitor has these lines on WIN11 (GTX1650), but not on WIN10 (GTX650).
The same WIN11 + GTX1650 did not produce lines on the LG monitor.
Does the above information give any indication as to why connecting my display to the Win11 +GTX1650 leads to nausea, eye strain etc?
NST17 I searched the NEC and one site mentions this: "capable of producing a true 16.7 million colours. The screen also features a 12-bit LUT (Look Up Table) offering a total palette of 69 billion colours, in theory helping to eliminate colour banding and posterization effects."
Seems it can run up to 12bit? unless LUT is something different.