ensete What CPU and GPU are you using in your PC? Does Linux cause eye strain without the XFCE shell? I tried the latest version of ubuntu and mint, both caused eyestrain with a ryzen 5/RX550 build... however that might be due to the RX550. I now have an old HD8500 GPU which worked fine on windows 7 but causes strain on windows 10. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try it with any linux distos.
Trouble with Windows 10, any solutions?
ensete I'm running 7 at home too but have had success with 8.1, might be worth a try at least for home use?
Funny thing is I've never had a good time with Linux. I remember trying Ubuntu live in the late 00's and had (looking back) similar symptoms to now, so dithering of some sort has been a thing on *nix long before Windows I imagine.
Since nouveau etc is open-source hopefully there's a solution for Linux soon. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Gurm Possibly. I've turned bad displays into good displays by loading the correct ICC profile. I've also had good displays hurt me when displaying certain colors. But I've never gotten triggered by a color in real life, which leads me to believe it's something the monitor is doing in order to display that color that is causing the issue
Still waiting for admin access but one thing I notices, switching from a DVI connecter to an old HD15 connector seemed to help a little
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ensete I didnt notice this article before - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering
it shows that when subpixel rendering is involved, the letters float and dont stay put. Putting too much workload on people with preexisting eye cond. like heterophoria.
Im gonna meet with one physicist soon and do tests in a lab with microscope and high speed camera on good and bad devices. He works in led development and is really interested in the topic. Its already been done here, but now I hope to replicate it more precisely.
I am also curious why my iphone 7 is ok now with reduced white point, but without it gives really bad pain. Hopefully the tests will show.
It also seems subpixel rendering is driven by graphic cards and not os -
I found this link from some months ago where Windows 10 had a bug that caused all monitors and graphics card to have strong banding on gradients: https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/software/problem_windows10_may_2019_update/index.html
I think this is further proof that they are doing something unnecessary with the graphics output on the OS level, independent of monitors and graphics cards.
I've just tryed to upgrade my notebook and my desktop pc from the 1809 to the 1909 and i can't use it! Someone else have found some problems with the last upgrade?
Outside of a workplace y'know y'all don't have to use Win 10..
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Sunspark Outside of a workplace y'know y'all don't have to use Win 10..
That's true however not for much longer. Windows 7 updates stop next month and Windows 8.1 in January 2023.
I also think given that W10 has been out for nearly 5 years, it's the principle that by now we should be able to use this OS without issues. Maybe something behind the scenes changed in W10, this could explain why when testing my NUC a few months back I had problems.
Lauda89 There definately are things in hardware to watch out for but thankfully these issues are now in the public eye, that's why we can buy PWM-free/low blue light displays.
In my own situation there have been so many 'upgrades' that have bricked my usuable devices into unusable, or certainly more uncomfortable than before.
I would say that it's not getting too complicated, if anything taking hardware out of the equation simplifies things. It also means that a software fix would solve our problems overnight. Therein lies the frustration, it can probably all be fixed with a few lines of code, but it is a walled garden.
diop I am not optimistic as you are I mean, I found to be affected by this problem 2/3 years ago when i tried to change my old CCFL PC monitor and i had to buy 5 monitor before I found one that didn't hurt my eyes: Alienware AW2518H 240 hz TN pannel 1080P.
But now also with that monitor i have problems with the latest windows upgrade. Maybe also the other monitor wasn't a problem itself but just a bad combination HW / SW ?!
I am also not really happy that there is a software factor to our problem because you can not always fix the software. With MACOS we can't do anything, with cars display too. It is often not easy to go back with the updates of TVs, smartphone etc ...