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twomee How did you got to a situation to not get any eye strain on windows 11?

I dont really know. huawei d16 also is 2021y model, as your dell 5560, and orient for win10 pre-installed.

Zephyrus g16 2022 12700h + rtx4060/IRIS XE with last win11 - eye-strain. Was not able to run win10 1809 correctly (power plans + battery draw, hotkeys OSD)

Thinkbook 16+ 2024 + intel Arc with last win11 - eye-strain. Was not able to run win10 1809 correctly (power plans + battery draw, hotkeys OSD)

Asus gl702vm 2017 + gtx1060 with win10 1809 LTSC - no problems

2 workstations (rtx2070s, rtx3080, 3080ti) with win10 1809 LTSC - no problems until I installed any win10/11 above 2004 with any nvidia drivers (old, newest)

      simplex do you really think it’s related to the year of the release of the laptop?

      Do you know how to stop updates in windows?

      Also, the PC I have is from 2021 with i9 10900F and Gigabyte Z490M GAMING X as motherboard,so according to your theory, it should work fine with win11 no?

          twomee Do you know how to stop updates in windows?

          google knows: using gpedit.msc, using win tweakers etc

          twomee so according to your theory

          my quote: noticed, w10 2004 and up with rtx30+ series gives me pain in temples after 2+ hour of usage

          twomee it’s related

          its related to this and supported/nonsupported hardware

                twomee enable dithering

                build number very important: windows 10 1809 LTSC 17763.1098, next 2 CPU updates (kb4589208 and kb5035849) will give you eye-strain back

                    simplex i found this build:
                    Windows 10 1809 LTSC 17763.1075
                    is that ok?
                    all version below 17763.1098 is that ok? 17763.914, 17763.832, 17763.1075
                    also, from where you downloaded it? do you have a link?

                        simplex

                        1809 LTSC 17763.1098, next 2 CPU updates (kb4589208

                        Are you using an integrated Intel video card or a discrete one? in situations where eye-strain is affected kb4589208.
                        What version of CPU microcode is currently running on your system(and CPU model)? (kb4589208 is update microcode to 0xCA on Coffee Lake system, for example)

                            glvn Are you using an integrated

                            Intel Arc iGPU @ ultra CPU. Win10 support Ultra only with 20h2 and later (after 2 KB updates in 1809, I got 1 socket and 1.4ghz base freq instead of 2 sockets and 3ghz base freq at non-strain 17763.1098). Power draw also reduced from 19w to ~12w after those 2 KB's

                              Finally, in theory, when we get supported CPU (and iGPU) by windows, it starts to dither. In my asus 7300hq + gtx1060 laptop (with w10 1809), dithering by ColorControl is always on, moreover, I changed 2x2 spatial to 1xspatial and finally it change but still dont affect eye-strain. I can disable dithering at all but wallpaper on desktop become full of squares. p.s. same actions at newest win10/11 starting from 2004 (20h1) not affect on final system dithering

                                jordan do you know from where i can find an old version? I can’t find one

                                    simplex but in my PC i see in the color control that the dithering is off and still have eye strain.

                                    Did you meant that even it wrote is off it’s still on?

                                        twomee it can still be enabled by the OS or GPU it's self or driver. You may also want to try an older driver version if 1809 alone doesn't help. I will say 1809 1098 has been good for people tho

                                          twomee dithering is off

                                          graphic card's dithering is OFF. but lets name that "windows dithering" is ON. Idk how to turn it off, thats why 1809 is my rescuer

                                            simplex

                                            build number very important: windows 10 1809 LTSC 17763.1098, next 2 CPU updates (kb4589208 and kb5035849) will give you eye-strain back

                                            Sorry for asking again, but does installing just one update kb4589208 cause eye-strain problems?
                                            kb4589208 a very simple update and actually only contains a microcode update for the CPU. It would be useful to clarify whether the processor microcode version is related to the eye-strain problem

                                            Or does the eye-strain problem only occur when two updates (kb4589208 and kb5035849) are combined?

                                                glvn Sorry for asking again

                                                I dont know. I found ~5..7pcs of installed KB, after learning what they do, decided to remove this 2

                                                Yesterday I tried to use win10 22h2 19045.4046, so today I "relax" with good devices and headache lol

                                                  FYI I suspect KB5034763 also brings back eye strain

                                                  twomee

                                                  I have an RTX A4000 (based on RTX 3070) and measured its output with a lossless capture card in Bios (no dithering by default) and with dithering disabled in Color Control (no dithering picked up either in Windows) but its still doing some type of dithering that cant be picked up by a capture card as the colors look very over exaggerated/noisier than all my other GPU's. I also tested this very thoroughly on builds 1809: 17763.1098, 17763.107, and 17763.55 and it was still unusable. So far i havent seen a single success story with any Ampere cards based on the GA104 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga104.g964

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