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If you are iron defficient and a male, Sorry to say this but I think you need to reconsider your diet habits.
A simple supplement regimen most people here can follow and will tremendously help eye health:

Brand of supplement is of great importance, vitamin/mineral/aminoacid/nootropic content varies a lot between manifacturers, so don't base opinion on any ingredient until you tried it from a trusted brand wiith CoA's.

Incorporating this, along with exercise (especially neck region, eyes & getting a good monitor) should put everybody in a good start.

Hope this helps anyone.

    wlmsn

    Just red meat and dairy. I did it originally to treat a variety of digestive disorders which improved immediately after I stopped, and continue to improve ever since. I only noticed the improvement in migraines/eye strain a year or two in which was a nice bonus. Now five years later I still get symptoms from screens, but they are always temporary, a few days of exposure to a new device is all I need to adapt and be able to use it. I will at some point do a big post on the science behind why this worked.

        Seagull That's amazing! Now I'm wondering if maybe I dont give myself enough time with the devices.

        How many hours do you spend with the device the first few days? Usually after an hour my eyes are shot so I just give up.

            wlmsn

            Some examples:

            4 years ago it took me 6months to adjust to a new OLED smartphone,
            2years ago it took me 10ish 20minute sessions over a month to adapt to a new OLED smartphone,
            1year ago it took me a 2hours over a weekend to adapt to a new OLED laptop which I then took to work on the Monday,
            Recently, it took me about 20-30 hours to adjust to some software that gave me eyestrain

                Seagull Thank's Seagull... I'll try to give new devices a little more time to see if I get used to it. I'm already there on the red meat and dairy.

                This gives me a lot of hope!

                  qb74 I would probably add: Make sure you get good supplement from good natural ingredients, as those differ a lot in quality and price too.

                  Also, treating an effect will not treat a cause. I bet most of people here suffer from some level of burnout, as those eye strainy macbooks will fast-track this condition for you.

                    I will not debate whether this or that specific food is ok or not. I will quote that "one man's meat is another man's poison". I think far too many people blindly follow this or that advice, ignoring what their own body is feeling.

                      photon78s True, but there is an overlap too, we are all humans after all, there are some fundamental laws that equally apply to everyone, regardless of differences.

                          Donux

                          Agree. Speaking of fundamental laws, I should mention that I am reading the chapter called "culinary alchemy: herbal food, kitchen medicine" from this book which goes into some detail about making these kind of food choices but from oriental medicine perspective. Personally, I do sometimes eat red meat but maybe at most once a week, mostly less.

                              photon78s Looks like interesting read, Chinese medicine is known to be following slightly different paradigm and producing good results. Yet, I do not want to label myself as sick yet 🙂 I truly believe my worst things started the moment I went all in into apple world. I feel like apart from hardware stuff, there is strong neuromarketing element, where you kind of almost forget your body signals when surrounded with addictive shiny objects 🙂 Almost could be related to King Midas story, even if originally it was about something else. And now while I'm using my lenovo laptop with windows 11 and no apps for dithering or other stuff, I have realized - I have no annoying eye strain, anxiety, but I have neck tension. Perhaps my posture is not right, perhaps I need to move my head around at some point in time during a day, perhaps there is a psychological element to my work etc. And it is a good sign, as I am not falling into mental bias of "the one and only cause" 🙂

                                  i didnt eat red meat for most of 2022-2023. trying iron and taurine supplements now.

                                  Donux

                                  Donux slightly different paradigm

                                  From what I'm reading, it is similar to the difference between chemistry and physics or particle versus wave perspectives. Both are useful/necessary paradigms and their is overlap. From the book, it describes the differences as viewing your body as mechanism with discrete parts like a car or computer that can be fixed by changing or replacing each part separately from the whole versus looking at body or health in general as a garden and complex ecosystem of relationships to be tended to holistically. If you change one thing, what other things are you also affecting?

                                  Donux Yet, I do not want to label myself as sick yet

                                  Same here. I'm glad you have this positive attitude! The role of stress and emotions is not to be discounted. Psychological element very likely some large X percentage factor. Also reading an actual printed book gets me away from looking at screens for everything as well as satisfying my curiosity.

                                  Donux Perhaps my posture is not right

                                  MIT made a monitor system that moves to research posture changes and health. How many people here use standing desks like the ones that can shift from sitting to standing mode automatically?

                                  https://ledstrain.org/d/938-check-your-neck-muscles/34

                                  Donux And it is a good sign, as I am not falling into mental bias of "the one and only cause"

                                  100% agree

                                            I eat meat every day. Usually red meat, rarely chicken and on occasion fish.

                                            sorry if OOT i get headache and migraine while use smartphone coincidencly when start eating oatmeal 2 times a day for my diet program,is there any connection ?i google alergies oat make headache or more light sensitive or maybe oat have gluten

                                              async yes from today i will stop eat oatmeal and back to eat rice although recently i have pre diabet,do you have any experience with oatmeal with headache migraine while use phone ?or some one else ? but my headache and migraine only appear if i use phone that one year before i can use without headache but after upgrade android 14 headache migraine appear,i already downgrade it to android 13 but still make me headache and i have bought the new one with excatly same type and same android 13 original still make me headache migraine too but i have another one old phone that still i can use without headache,so confuse

                                              i have read reddit link,op says its just make depresion and dhysporia not headache or migraine ?

                                                  hansennnnn

                                                  My screen symptoms can get a lot worse with food, though for me the triggers are primarily cooking oil and some spices.

                                                    hansennnnn I got a ton of weird food stuff and allergies, so I don't really touch that at all. However the description there are rather similar to what happens when I consume milk, so I guess bioactive componds could be at play.

                                                    Food-Derived Opioid Peptides in Human Health: A Review - PMC (nih.gov)

                                                    Also there is everything related to migraines affecting vasodilation. Nitrities in particular. They no doubt cause visual symptoms in me.

                                                    Tbh I mostly eat meat and spring water with some carbo sources. There are too many rabbitholes to go thru if you want to figure out how all diffuse symptoms and problems fit together. Better to just not stress about everything, and cycle things in and out of the diet if it seems like it might be a problem.

                                                      wlmsn yeah but I've also been anemic since my early 20s and take cow liver iron pills. It's the only kind that helped me. My iron levels are totally normal now and have been for something like 15 years now because of that. At least, for me, I don't think iron deficiency is a link.

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